What leads you to believe that the Big Ten attempted to force ND's hand this time? If anything, the frustration appears to be more from the other Big East schools.
Yes it is pie in the sky. ND has a lot of rivalries with a lot of different schools and that does contribute to them being able to stay independent when they haven't been good in a long time and avoid joining a conference in football.
They may have played more recently but last time we were in a BCS game it was the NCG. ND hasn't played for one of those in a while.
yeah because there is such a big time gap between 2001 and 2003. Notre dame has only won like 1 bowl game in the past 15 years,that is so impressive! Can you say BCS pretenders?
Not to mention that Notre Damn team lost to Boston College, are you serious. Name any other team that goes 10-2 with a loss to BC that goes to a BCS game without an automatic bid.
It's netspeak for asking us to join and trying to destroy our alternatives. Lloyd Carr said what Big10 fans have been saying all this time this week. I don't think anyone knows the details of what Texas promised since it was probably their private agreement with 'Savvy' Jack Swarbrick. Although after reading this board, it didn't strike me as odd that they could arrange something like that.muffler dragon said:
How so notredame only has 1 bowl win since 1994 and that was to a SH*T hawaii team. And last time I checked notredame has been blown out in every bcs game so how do I have my facts wrong? Also notredame gets in a BCS bowl if they are in the top 8
From all that I have read about the situation between the Big Ten and UNL, I don't find this to be the case. Now, this is with the caveat that I fully believe the time table was expedited because of the Big XII ultimatum. If there was no ultimatum, then there is a good possibility that the outcome may have been different.
I haven't read what LLLLLLoyd said this week; therefore, I can't comment on it. As for destroying alternatives, I guess it's a matter of perspective. A tremendous upgrade to the Graduate and Research programs at ND obviously take a backseat to the football program. I would see that as enhancement instead of destroying alternatives.
It wasn't a deparmtental problem as much as a professors vs alumni and students problem. A century of dealing with Big# left a bitter enough taste in the community's mouth that no promise of research money would make joining the conference pallatable.
The people that I have spoken to know the faculty personally, and they have stated numerous times over the last few years just how much the academia at ND wanted to join the Big Ten. Furthermore, IF there was such an issue "of dealing with Big#" for a century; THEN I would have thought by now that ND would have taken their talents elsewhere. Instead, there are no less than 25% of your games played against Big Ten opponents annually. Coupled with the losing record against said opponents since expansion came into play, it really makes me wonder where you get your argument? So much for a bitter taste, huh?
That's why I said the professors were in conflict with the alumni and students. Maybe they should go to the Big# and teach literacy.