Would agree with the quarters coverage. Seems we dropped it some as the season progressed. Gerry, IIRC, also said that midway through the season, guys were reverting back to the old schemes/techniques and it hurt the team. Duh.Not running nearly as much Quarters coverage would be a good start...
We dont have the personnel yet to be effective with it as our base. We have not recruited the type of athletes in the back end to play exclusively quarters. When Mich St was an elite defense the past few years they had 2 top round CB's and 2 safeties that covered like corners and hit like LB's. Last year they didnt have any lock down CB's and their safeties were suspect at best and teams made a living making them cover 1 on 1. We took advantage of Mich st safeties covering our best WR's. To be a quarters team you must be extremely talented on the back end and have 2 DE's that make the ball come out of the QB's hands quickly. We dont have the talent on the back end or the pass rush yet.Why can some teams be successful with quarter's coverage but we can't and don't want it here?
I agree with your entire statement, however teams have to have a system and coach whatever talent they have to play that system to the best of their ability. a team can't change systems every two years to fit the current best players on the team. It is also hard to recruit a kid and say we will start doing it this way when YOU get here, however we don't do it that way now - but we will.We dont have the personnel yet to be effective with it as our base. We have not recruited the type of athletes in the back end to play exclusively quarters. When Mich St was an elite defense the past few years they had 2 top round CB's and 2 safeties that covered like corners and hit like LB's. Last year they didnt have any lock down CB's and their safeties were suspect at best and teams made a living making them cover 1 on 1. We took advantage of Mich st safeties covering our best WR's. To be a quarters team you must be extremely talented on the back end and have 2 DE's that make the ball come out of the QB's hands quickly. We dont have the talent on the back end or the pass rush yet.Why can some teams be successful with quarter's coverage but we can't and don't want it here?
So...it isn't that people don't like quarters coverage. They would be fine with it if and when we get the personnel to run it.We dont have the personnel yet to be effective with it as our base. We have not recruited the type of athletes in the back end to play exclusively quarters. When Mich St was an elite defense the past few years they had 2 top round CB's and 2 safeties that covered like corners and hit like LB's. Last year they didnt have any lock down CB's and their safeties were suspect at best and teams made a living making them cover 1 on 1. We took advantage of Mich st safeties covering our best WR's. To be a quarters team you must be extremely talented on the back end and have 2 DE's that make the ball come out of the QB's hands quickly. We dont have the talent on the back end or the pass rush yet.Why can some teams be successful with quarter's coverage but we can't and don't want it here?
True. But you have to modify and tweak your system to fit your personnel. You can still teach and use quarters but you will have to mix up coverages a little more, and disguise some things on your pre-snap look. Early in the season it didnt seem like we were mixing up our coverages very much and teams took advantage of that. With a lack of a pass rush we had to burn a backer and blitz a little more than they probably wanted to last year. Just have to adjust to what you have and what gives you the best chance to win.I agree with your entire statement, however teams have to have a system and coach whatever talent they have to play that system to the best of their ability. a team can't change systems every two years to fit the current best players on the team. It is also hard to recruit a kid and say we will start doing it this way when YOU get here, however we don't do it that way now - but we will.We dont have the personnel yet to be effective with it as our base. We have not recruited the type of athletes in the back end to play exclusively quarters. When Mich St was an elite defense the past few years they had 2 top round CB's and 2 safeties that covered like corners and hit like LB's. Last year they didnt have any lock down CB's and their safeties were suspect at best and teams made a living making them cover 1 on 1. We took advantage of Mich st safeties covering our best WR's. To be a quarters team you must be extremely talented on the back end and have 2 DE's that make the ball come out of the QB's hands quickly. We dont have the talent on the back end or the pass rush yet.Why can some teams be successful with quarter's coverage but we can't and don't want it here?
All is true. Coaches that know their system and know their personnel should be able to handle those small tweaks. As long as the tweaks aren't major systematic changes the recruits should be able to see the plan going forward. I think these guys will make big steps in all these areas this year (selling recruits / knowing how current players can be used / making their system work in the big ten with our fall weather).True. But you have to modify and tweak your system to fit your personnel. You can still teach and use quarters but you will have to mix up coverages a little more, and disguise some things on your pre-snap look. Early in the season it didnt seem like we were mixing up our coverages very much and teams took advantage of that. With a lack of a pass rush we had to burn a backer and blitz a little more than they probably wanted to last year. Just have to adjust to what you have and what gives you the best chance to win.I agree with your entire statement, however teams have to have a system and coach whatever talent they have to play that system to the best of their ability. a team can't change systems every two years to fit the current best players on the team. It is also hard to recruit a kid and say we will start doing it this way when YOU get here, however we don't do it that way now - but we will.We dont have the personnel yet to be effective with it as our base. We have not recruited the type of athletes in the back end to play exclusively quarters. When Mich St was an elite defense the past few years they had 2 top round CB's and 2 safeties that covered like corners and hit like LB's. Last year they didnt have any lock down CB's and their safeties were suspect at best and teams made a living making them cover 1 on 1. We took advantage of Mich st safeties covering our best WR's. To be a quarters team you must be extremely talented on the back end and have 2 DE's that make the ball come out of the QB's hands quickly. We dont have the talent on the back end or the pass rush yet.Why can some teams be successful with quarter's coverage but we can't and don't want it here?
MSU also played press coverage like 95% of the time. As you mentioned, personnel is key. You need bigger strong corners who can play man. A DL who can get after the QB.We dont have the personnel yet to be effective with it as our base. We have not recruited the type of athletes in the back end to play exclusively quarters. When Mich St was an elite defense the past few years they had 2 top round CB's and 2 safeties that covered like corners and hit like LB's. Last year they didnt have any lock down CB's and their safeties were suspect at best and teams made a living making them cover 1 on 1. We took advantage of Mich st safeties covering our best WR's. To be a quarters team you must be extremely talented on the back end and have 2 DE's that make the ball come out of the QB's hands quickly. We dont have the talent on the back end or the pass rush yet.Why can some teams be successful with quarter's coverage but we can't and don't want it here?
Agree with this sentiment.MSU also played press coverage like 95% of the time. As you mentioned, personnel is key. You need bigger strong corners who can play man. A DL who can get after the QB.We dont have the personnel yet to be effective with it as our base. We have not recruited the type of athletes in the back end to play exclusively quarters. When Mich St was an elite defense the past few years they had 2 top round CB's and 2 safeties that covered like corners and hit like LB's. Last year they didnt have any lock down CB's and their safeties were suspect at best and teams made a living making them cover 1 on 1. We took advantage of Mich st safeties covering our best WR's. To be a quarters team you must be extremely talented on the back end and have 2 DE's that make the ball come out of the QB's hands quickly. We dont have the talent on the back end or the pass rush yet.Why can some teams be successful with quarter's coverage but we can't and don't want it here?
Nate made a statement this week that last year guys went back to the "old scheme" a times and it means stuff up.
All 11 guys pulling the same way also helps....
I love the concept of quarters coverage. With the right personnel it's great. I really like Seattles coverage schemes.
Gotta get the guys and the wins will come.
This is what is puzzling. We had guys used to playing press coverage (though with different coverage behind them). It's like we took one key to what makes Quarters coverage work and completely ignored it. That's why saying "other teams make it work" isn't much of an argument. "Quarters" - like most anything - is pretty generic. There are a lot of different ways to play any coverage. Other teams that make it work may do things differently - like the press coverage that MSU used. The way we ran it last year made it way to easy for opponents to figure everything out and find a weakness.MSU also played press coverage like 95% of the time.
I know you know this, but it helps to have guys like Richard Sherman to run it.I love the concept of quarters coverage. With the right personnel it's great. I really like Seattles coverage schemes.
I think your second paragraph is very important not to ignor.MSU also played press coverage like 95% of the time. As you mentioned, personnel is key. You need bigger strong corners who can play man. A DL who can get after the QB.We dont have the personnel yet to be effective with it as our base. We have not recruited the type of athletes in the back end to play exclusively quarters. When Mich St was an elite defense the past few years they had 2 top round CB's and 2 safeties that covered like corners and hit like LB's. Last year they didnt have any lock down CB's and their safeties were suspect at best and teams made a living making them cover 1 on 1. We took advantage of Mich st safeties covering our best WR's. To be a quarters team you must be extremely talented on the back end and have 2 DE's that make the ball come out of the QB's hands quickly. We dont have the talent on the back end or the pass rush yet.Why can some teams be successful with quarter's coverage but we can't and don't want it here?
Nate made a statement this week that last year guys went back to the "old scheme" a times and it means stuff up.
All 11 guys pulling the same way also helps....
I love the concept of quarters coverage. With the right personnel it's great. I really like Seattles coverage schemes.
Gotta get the guys and the wins will come.
No doubt. Elite DB's help. I just like the concept, but as you noted it takes some serious talent.This is what is puzzling. We had guys used to playing press coverage (though with different coverage behind them). It's like we took one key to what makes Quarters coverage work and completely ignored it. That's why saying "other teams make it work" isn't much of an argument. "Quarters" - like most anything - is pretty generic. There are a lot of different ways to play any coverage. Other teams that make it work may do things differently - like the press coverage that MSU used. The way we ran it last year made it way to easy for opponents to figure everything out and find a weakness.MSU also played press coverage like 95% of the time.
I know you know this, but it helps to have guys like Richard Sherman to run it.I love the concept of quarters coverage. With the right personnel it's great. I really like Seattles coverage schemes.