Bo and High School Coaches

[Goal-line]

This probably isn't the point you were trying to make, but it sticks out with me. Do you think Saban walks into a coaches office and asks if there's a chance the kid will come to Bama' and then when told no doesn't even meet with the kid? This scares the crap out of me. If everyone involved with sales took this approach, they'd either be fired or starve to death. Nebraska itself doesn't exactly sell itself. Bo is going to have to go above and beyond in recruiting to ever have a chance.

You are absolutely correct. The proof is in the pudding. Why should Pelini even ask the question, "Do we have a chance with this kid?" Pelini's main problem is two fold: (1). His on and off field demeanor/temper and (2). Losing big games by lopsided scores on national TV, repeatedly. Neither perception is an isolated incident. His lambasting Martinez on national TV and his expletive filled "fan rant" are real visual and tangible events. It will take a long time to recover from those types of situations, if ever. He can be the nicest guy in the world to coaches, but those two perceptions are out there for everyone to see. Thus, causing him to have to as the ridiculous question, "Do we have a chance with this kid?" Recruits see these things as do HC coaches and parents. NU has lost out on some very significant recruits, a couple from in state. That bleeding needs to stop.

You have got to be shatting me......this is unreal.

1) why waste valuable time recruiting a kid who isnt coming in the end?

2) NU loses out on more recruits because of snow than Pelinis yelling

3) Bo runs a clean and well adjusted program, parents see that

4) The grass isnt always greener on the other side my friend

So, you don't think those lopsided losses mean anything to young kids? If there were only one, then maybe. But the repeated drubbing NU gets on National TV is beyond real. Kids do see those things. They do pay attention to those things. Also, you think his rants and unprofessionalism on and of the field don't weigh in? If you don't think those things make a difference, you are sadly mistaken. I have a very close friend that I worked with for 20 years and who was recruited by Tom Osborne back in the early 1980's. He said his folks could not believe the manner in which TO presented himself and his presence with regard to honesty, integrity, and respect for the kids. My friend had many other D-1 offers but when TO entered his living room, the recruiting process stopped. I can't imagine that TO ever asked a head coach, "Do you think we have a chance with this kid."

 

[EZ-E]

This probably isn't the point you were trying to make, but it sticks out with me. Do you think Saban walks into a coaches office and asks if there's a chance the kid will come to Bama' and then when told no doesn't even meet with the kid? This scares the crap out of me. If everyone involved with sales took this approach, they'd either be fired or starve to death. Nebraska itself doesn't exactly sell itself. Bo is going to have to go above and beyond in recruiting to ever have a chance.

You are absolutely correct. The proof is in the pudding. Why should Pelini even ask the question, "Do we have a chance with this kid?" Pelini's main problem is two fold: (1). His on and off field demeanor/temper and (2). Losing big games by lopsided scores on national TV, repeatedly. Neither perception is an isolated incident. His lambasting Martinez on national TV and his expletive filled "fan rant" are real visual and tangible events. It will take a long time to recover from those types of situations, if ever. He can be the nicest guy in the world to coaches, but those two perceptions are out there for everyone to see. Thus, causing him to have to as the ridiculous question, "Do we have a chance with this kid?" Recruits see these things as do HC coaches and parents. NU has lost out on some very significant recruits, a couple from in state. That bleeding needs to stop.

You have got to be shatting me......this is unreal.

1) why waste valuable time recruiting a kid who isnt coming in the end?

2) NU loses out on more recruits because of snow than Pelinis yelling

3) Bo runs a clean and well adjusted program, parents see that

4) The grass isnt always greener on the other side my friend

So, you don't think those lopsided losses mean anything to young kids? If there were only one, then maybe. But the repeated drubbing NU gets on National TV is beyond real. Kids do see those things. They do pay attention to those things. Also, you think his rants and unprofessionalism on and of the field don't weigh in? If you don't think those things make a difference, you are sadly mistaken. I have a very close friend that I worked with for 20 years and who was recruited by Tom Osborne back in the early 1980's. He said his folks could not believe the manner in which TO presented himself and his presence with regard to honesty, integrity, and respect for the kids. My friend had many other D-1 offers but when TO entered his living room, the recruiting process stopped. I can't imagine that TO ever asked a head coach, "Do you think we have a chance with this kid."

I don't know where to begin with this post.

 

[Ratt Mhule]

This probably isn't the point you were trying to make, but it sticks out with me. Do you think Saban walks into a coaches office and asks if there's a chance the kid will come to Bama' and then when told no doesn't even meet with the kid? This scares the crap out of me. If everyone involved with sales took this approach, they'd either be fired or starve to death. Nebraska itself doesn't exactly sell itself. Bo is going to have to go above and beyond in recruiting to ever have a chance.

You are absolutely correct. The proof is in the pudding. Why should Pelini even ask the question, "Do we have a chance with this kid?" Pelini's main problem is two fold: (1). His on and off field demeanor/temper and (2). Losing big games by lopsided scores on national TV, repeatedly. Neither perception is an isolated incident. His lambasting Martinez on national TV and his expletive filled "fan rant" are real visual and tangible events. It will take a long time to recover from those types of situations, if ever. He can be the nicest guy in the world to coaches, but those two perceptions are out there for everyone to see. Thus, causing him to have to as the ridiculous question, "Do we have a chance with this kid?" Recruits see these things as do HC coaches and parents. NU has lost out on some very significant recruits, a couple from in state. That bleeding needs to stop.

You have got to be shatting me......this is unreal.

1) why waste valuable time recruiting a kid who isnt coming in the end?

2) NU loses out on more recruits because of snow than Pelinis yelling

3) Bo runs a clean and well adjusted program, parents see that

4) The grass isnt always greener on the other side my friend

So, you don't think those lopsided losses mean anything to young kids? If there were only one, then maybe. But the repeated drubbing NU gets on National TV is beyond real. Kids do see those things. They do pay attention to those things. Also, you think his rants and unprofessionalism on and of the field don't weigh in? If you don't think those things make a difference, you are sadly mistaken. I have a very close friend that I worked with for 20 years and who was recruited by Tom Osborne back in the early 1980's. He said his folks could not believe the manner in which TO presented himself and his presence with regard to honesty, integrity, and respect for the kids. My friend had many other D-1 offers but when TO entered his living room, the recruiting process stopped. I can't imagine that TO ever asked a head coach, "Do you think we have a chance with this kid."

I don't know where to begin with this post.

Like I said earlier in this thread, its not even worth it with this guy. I haven't seen him post one positive thing since he joined

 

[Cdog923]

This probably isn't the point you were trying to make, but it sticks out with me. Do you think Saban walks into a coaches office and asks if there's a chance the kid will come to Bama' and then when told no doesn't even meet with the kid? This scares the crap out of me. If everyone involved with sales took this approach, they'd either be fired or starve to death. Nebraska itself doesn't exactly sell itself. Bo is going to have to go above and beyond in recruiting to ever have a chance.

you do realize the better his relationship with a coach the better his chances with future recruits that play for that coach?

True, but it doesn't so much for us right now.

 

[Stumpy1]

This probably isn't the point you were trying to make, but it sticks out with me. Do you think Saban walks into a coaches office and asks if there's a chance the kid will come to Bama' and then when told no doesn't even meet with the kid? This scares the crap out of me. If everyone involved with sales took this approach, they'd either be fired or starve to death. Nebraska itself doesn't exactly sell itself. Bo is going to have to go above and beyond in recruiting to ever have a chance.

you do realize the better his relationship with a coach the better his chances with future recruits that play for that coach?

True, but it doesn't so much for us right now.

And you know this how?

 

[Goal-line]

This probably isn't the point you were trying to make, but it sticks out with me. Do you think Saban walks into a coaches office and asks if there's a chance the kid will come to Bama' and then when told no doesn't even meet with the kid? This scares the crap out of me. If everyone involved with sales took this approach, they'd either be fired or starve to death. Nebraska itself doesn't exactly sell itself. Bo is going to have to go above and beyond in recruiting to ever have a chance.

You are absolutely correct. The proof is in the pudding. Why should Pelini even ask the question, "Do we have a chance with this kid?" Pelini's main problem is two fold: (1). His on and off field demeanor/temper and (2). Losing big games by lopsided scores on national TV, repeatedly. Neither perception is an isolated incident. His lambasting Martinez on national TV and his expletive filled "fan rant" are real visual and tangible events. It will take a long time to recover from those types of situations, if ever. He can be the nicest guy in the world to coaches, but those two perceptions are out there for everyone to see. Thus, causing him to have to as the ridiculous question, "Do we have a chance with this kid?" Recruits see these things as do HC coaches and parents. NU has lost out on some very significant recruits, a couple from in state. That bleeding needs to stop.

You have got to be shatting me......this is unreal.

1) why waste valuable time recruiting a kid who isnt coming in the end?

2) NU loses out on more recruits because of snow than Pelinis yelling

3) Bo runs a clean and well adjusted program, parents see that

4) The grass isnt always greener on the other side my friend

So, you don't think those lopsided losses mean anything to young kids? If there were only one, then maybe. But the repeated drubbing NU gets on National TV is beyond real. Kids do see those things. They do pay attention to those things. Also, you think his rants and unprofessionalism on and of the field don't weigh in? If you don't think those things make a difference, you are sadly mistaken. I have a very close friend that I worked with for 20 years and who was recruited by Tom Osborne back in the early 1980's. He said his folks could not believe the manner in which TO presented himself and his presence with regard to honesty, integrity, and respect for the kids. My friend had many other D-1 offers but when TO entered his living room, the recruiting process stopped. I can't imagine that TO ever asked a head coach, "Do you think we have a chance with this kid."

I don't know where to begin with this post.

Like I said earlier in this thread, its not even worth it with this guy. I haven't seen him post one positive thing since he joined

Go to this thread: http://www.huskerboa...re-at-nebraska/

Read the stats that Hudson has so diligently researched. It is all there right in front of you. Or, if you go to the games, take a good look at our "talent" on defense. Our defensive line has a long, long ways to go. What are we averaging on yards given up per game? Over 400? And, that is against some pretty weak competition. Several years ago, we were lucky to get Lavante David. He was a Juco kid. Without him, we would have been a very average team. Now, we have Gregory, another Juco kid. What does that tell you about going into high schools and recruiting outstanding defensive players, particularly the front seven? I can appreciate your enthusiasm for the Huskers. However, after 5-6 decades as a fan, the product I see on the defensive side of the ball does not measure up to the standards of the "Blackshirts" I, or many other Husker Fans, are used to seeing on the field. When Pelini starts winning conference championships and puts back in the hunt for a National Title, then you will find your positive posts from me. Sugar coat it all you want! It seems to me that Pelini is an angry man who can't recruit. I am now, and always have been, a huge supporter of NU sports.

 

[BRV920]

If you can't see all of the young talent on defense then you should think about some glasses. As far as Bo being a angry man. I played for coaches that got in your face when you weren't getting it done and they really didn't care what the parents thought about their coaching style. I would run thru a brick wall for those guys even today and count those guys as some of my best friends. I think your the angry man.

 

[StPaulHusker]

I will relate this Bo story with my own business. I own a company that sells product to lumber yards. When I go visit these lumber yards for the first time, the chances are that they already have a supplier that they are comfortable with. I NEVER go in on the first time with the hard sell. It is highly ineffective. I go in and introduce my company and the products we offer and how we could be better than what they are experiencing now. I ask a lot of questions and help them sometimes with resolving issues they may have. Sometimes I even help them sell my competitions product to their customers while I am there.

The point is, more often than not, they become my customer over time. It's starts with a call about something obscure that they think I can help with and then moves into selling them full truckloads of product. You just have to be patient. I knew going to see these people the first time was not going to be a slam dunk. But over time, I gain their trust and they see what my company is about.

So if Bo walks into a coaches office for the first time and asks if he has a shot with a kid that is already committed and the coach says no and Bo immediately moves on to other topics, he is banking on the coaches remembering him down the road. This is what a good salesman does.

 

[Cdog923]

This probably isn't the point you were trying to make, but it sticks out with me. Do you think Saban walks into a coaches office and asks if there's a chance the kid will come to Bama' and then when told no doesn't even meet with the kid? This scares the crap out of me. If everyone involved with sales took this approach, they'd either be fired or starve to death. Nebraska itself doesn't exactly sell itself. Bo is going to have to go above and beyond in recruiting to ever have a chance.

you do realize the better his relationship with a coach the better his chances with future recruits that play for that coach?

True, but it doesn't so much for us right now.

And you know this how?

Because we're not getting the highly ranked recruit in question this year?

 

[Stumpy1]

This probably isn't the point you were trying to make, but it sticks out with me. Do you think Saban walks into a coaches office and asks if there's a chance the kid will come to Bama' and then when told no doesn't even meet with the kid? This scares the crap out of me. If everyone involved with sales took this approach, they'd either be fired or starve to death. Nebraska itself doesn't exactly sell itself. Bo is going to have to go above and beyond in recruiting to ever have a chance.

you do realize the better his relationship with a coach the better his chances with future recruits that play for that coach?

True, but it doesn't so much for us right now.

And you know this how?

Because we're not getting the highly ranked recruit in question this year?

That's your arguement? Try again...

 

[Cdog923]

This probably isn't the point you were trying to make, but it sticks out with me. Do you think Saban walks into a coaches office and asks if there's a chance the kid will come to Bama' and then when told no doesn't even meet with the kid? This scares the crap out of me. If everyone involved with sales took this approach, they'd either be fired or starve to death. Nebraska itself doesn't exactly sell itself. Bo is going to have to go above and beyond in recruiting to ever have a chance.

you do realize the better his relationship with a coach the better his chances with future recruits that play for that coach?

True, but it doesn't so much for us right now.

And you know this how?

Because we're not getting the highly ranked recruit in question this year?

That's your arguement? Try again...

Try what again? Bo walked into a coach's office, asked if we had a chance with a highly-ranked recruit this year, and the coach said no. This does nothing to help next year's team.

Now, the relationship Bo builds with that coach can certainly help us recruiting kids from that school in the future, but it does absolutely nothing to help out this year's recruiting class. That's fairly easy to see. It's not a dig at Bo, or how he recruits. It's just a fact.

 

[jmfb]

I will relate this Bo story with my own business. I own a company that sells product to lumber yards. When I go visit these lumber yards for the first time, the chances are that they already have a supplier that they are comfortable with. I NEVER go in on the first time with the hard sell. It is highly ineffective. I go in and introduce my company and the products we offer and how we could be better than what they are experiencing now. I ask a lot of questions and help them sometimes with resolving issues they may have. Sometimes I even help them sell my competitions product to their customers while I am there.

The point is, more often than not, they become my customer over time. It's starts with a call about something obscure that they think I can help with and then moves into selling them full truckloads of product. You just have to be patient. I knew going to see these people the first time was not going to be a slam dunk. But over time, I gain their trust and they see what my company is about.

So if Bo walks into a coaches office for the first time and asks if he has a shot with a kid that is already committed and the coach says no and Bo immediately moves on to other topics, he is banking on the coaches remembering him down the road. This is what a good salesman does.

VERY good analogy

How relationships are built over time- where none existed prior

 

[Mavric]

Because we're not getting the highly ranked recruit in question this year?

Is recruiting closed for the year? I must have missed that part.

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

This probably isn't the point you were trying to make, but it sticks out with me. Do you think Saban walks into a coaches office and asks if there's a chance the kid will come to Bama' and then when told no doesn't even meet with the kid? This scares the crap out of me. If everyone involved with sales took this approach, they'd either be fired or starve to death. Nebraska itself doesn't exactly sell itself. Bo is going to have to go above and beyond in recruiting to ever have a chance.

You are absolutely correct. The proof is in the pudding. Why should Pelini even ask the question, "Do we have a chance with this kid?" Pelini's main problem is two fold: (1). His on and off field demeanor/temper and (2). Losing big games by lopsided scores on national TV, repeatedly. Neither perception is an isolated incident. His lambasting Martinez on national TV and his expletive filled "fan rant" are real visual and tangible events. It will take a long time to recover from those types of situations, if ever. He can be the nicest guy in the world to coaches, but those two perceptions are out there for everyone to see. Thus, causing him to have to as the ridiculous question, "Do we have a chance with this kid?" Recruits see these things as do HC coaches and parents. NU has lost out on some very significant recruits, a couple from in state. That bleeding needs to stop.

Those aren't perceptions, just saying. Not that those images out there are incorrect. Some people do see Bo's hot headedness and nearly everybody sees Nebraska's blowout losses. But you're using perception incorrectly.

 

[Cdog923]

Because we're not getting the highly ranked recruit in question this year?

Is recruiting closed for the year? I must have missed that part.

Good point. The post in question doesn't specify how locked-in the kid is to his school, or if there are other recruits we are looking at in that program. However, how much time do we spend trying to flip a kid vs. going and getting other targets at that position?