Bo Pelini Dream Team

[Landlord]

GSG stole the Aladdin gif so I'll go with..

 

[Chaddyboxer]

It's the board culture around here that keeps me coming back. There are some respectable, good guys on here that are very knowledgeable about Husker football and will typically shoot it straight. Many of the posters here don't have negative agendas and don't personally attack people like other boards demonstrate. Lastly, there are the sunshine pumpers on here, which I am fine with as well. It keeps the board positive and gives the board a surge of hope for the Huskers. This is probably the one website I view the most besides Youtube.

 

[The King]

he turns the ball over too much

I don't think there's anyone that will argue with that one. Not even people who think Taylor can do no wrong. But to say that this prevents Nebraska from winning anything meaningful is a stretch toward the unreasonable side.

He isn't, in my opinion, consistent enough to make the right decisions all game long to allow us to win. Even -if- the defense was top 20 in every category, having a QB that has a turnover for LESS than every 2 touchdowns he accounts for is pretty concerning in a significant game against the best athletes.

 

[The King]

So, 11 of his 18 total turnovers came in games where the defense couldn't stop anyone. We gave up an average of 39 points in those games and trailed by double digits in each game.

That doesn't prove anything in and of itself. What would prove your point is if a high percentage of those 11 occurred when we trailed by double digits, and weren't just a result of careless ball handling. Off the top of my head I can think of Taylor's first 2 picks in the Ohio State game, one when it was still 0-0, and one when it was (I think) 17-14 (partially because of his first pick six), so those two don't support the narrative.

I don't have time to go through and and look at the context at each turnover right now, but it would be interesting to know.

This. Lets see how many of those turnovers were truly because he was forced to "air it out". My bet - not as many as you're trying to justify. From reading this board during Ohio State, I can say quite a few people didn't agree with Taylors decision making there.......... which is what I've been criticizing the entire time. He doesn't have the critical decision making skills it takes in THIS offense that puts the ball in the QBs hands and forces him to make plays.

 

[Count 'Bility]

It's the board culture around here that keeps me coming back. There are some respectable, good guys on here that are very knowledgeable about Husker football and will typically shoot it straight. Many of the posters here don't have negative agendas and don't personally attack people like other boards demonstrate. Lastly, there are the sunshine pumpers on here, which I am fine with as well. It keeps the board positive and gives the board a surge of hope for the Huskers. This is probably the one website I view the most besides Youtube redtube.

 

[The King]

Oh i won't hide my disdain for T Magic as a QB. Not. At. All. Is it anything personal against him? Not. At. All either. No way. My favorite T-Magic moment and yes I have one is him running with Jack Hoffman for all of those 69 yards. One of the classiest things I have ever seen in both Husker and college football. As a proud member of Team Jack, I lost my niece to pediatric brain cancer I will never forget that.

What you Martinez fanboys have to understand is that not everyone is in love with him as you are. Life will go on for you! I mean you have your starter and have had your starter for the last 4 years *cough* am I correct?!!! The concensus at least in this thread or if you ask that saunders dude is how great Martinez is. Not everyone sees the apparent great QB that you might so getting your panties all in a bunch per usual after someone simply says that Joe Ganz was their 'pick' on Pelini's all time team is on you..... I can't stand Martinez as a QB. It is painful to watch and unlike the same 5 or 6 usual people here who flock down to defend Taylor anytime someone gives an opinion that doesn't match theirs in a thread you can thank them for taking a simple opinion from someone and turning it into another let's defend Taylor campaign/thread yet again...yawn.... People have opinions and quite valid opinions that don't match yours. Please be a big boy and deal with it... GBR

See, here's the thing, those of us "defending" him are making valid and rational rebuttals (we need a defense, hello) while you are not (anyone on the roster is better). It's plain and simple. I don't think he's great, I just don't think he's terrible. I mean, you'd think if he sucked so bad, that somebody else would have beat him out, unless you're a tinfoil hatter. You're welcome to your opinion, just don't expect people to accept it when it's crazy.

I've said that he isn't the -only- thing holding us back and I've also said that he is the right choice for our starting QB. I don't think he is great enough - in this offense - for him to win anything significant here. I think we could do much worse, and we would be hard pressed to do much better. Hate to harp on it, once again, but there is a reason Chip Kelly started players that could make good decisions and not turn the ball over, over arguably more 'talented' players in a very similar offense.

 

[Landlord]

Ameer Abdullah's turnovers have cost us much more significantly in big games than Taylor Martinez's.

 

[The King]

Ameer Abdullah's turnovers have cost us much more significantly in big games than Taylor Martinez's.

Ameer only had 1 fumble lost in a loss this year. That was @ UCLA.

So, I'd have to disagree.

The others Northwestern, Ark State, Iowa, MInnesota.

 

[The Maudfather]

Ameer Abdullah's turnovers have cost us much more significantly in big games than Taylor Martinez's.

Ameer only had 1 fumble lost in a loss this year. That was @ UCLA.

So, I'd have to disagree.

The others Northwestern, Ark State, Iowa, MInnesota.

Actually, according to these stats, he had 6 fumbles lost.

 

[Landlord]

Ameer Abdullah's turnovers have cost us much more significantly in big games than Taylor Martinez's.

Ameer only had 1 fumble lost in a loss this year. That was @ UCLA.

So, I'd have to disagree.

3rd and 1 from the Georgia 39 yard line, tied 31-31, Rex pitched it to Abdullah who dove for a first down but fumbled.

Also,

3rd and 3 from the South Carolina 8 yard line, up 13-9, Ameer fumbled one inch outside the goal-line.

 

[The King]

Ameer Abdullah's turnovers have cost us much more significantly in big games than Taylor Martinez's.

Ameer only had 1 fumble lost in a loss this year. That was @ UCLA.

So, I'd have to disagree.

3rd and 1 from the Georgia 39 yard line, tied 31-31, Rex pitched it to Abdullah who dove for a first down but fumbled.

Also,

3rd and 3 from the South Carolina 8 yard line, up 13-9, Ameer fumbled one inch outside the goal-line.

Oops! Missed the Georgia one.

Alright and are you ready for all of Martinez's? Just in the two "bigger" games? If we did it for the whole season, he has a lot more than (2 fumbles) in our losses.

NU down 16-14, T-Mart picked off. vs Georgia.

Conference champ: First throw - pick 6. Taylor fumble. Taylor INT.

Taylor intercepted up 13-9 vs South Carolina, which leads to a South Carolina TD going into halftime.

 

[knapplc]

Oops! Missed the Georgia one.

Alright and are you ready for all of Martinez's? Just in the two "bigger" games? If we did it for the whole season, he has a lot more than (2 fumbles) in our losses.

NU down 16-14, T-Mart picked off. vs Georgia.

Conference champ: First throw - pick 6. Taylor fumble. Taylor INT.

Taylor intercepted up 13-9 vs South Carolina, which leads to a South Carolina TD going into halftime.

The conference championship game against Wiscy? The one where Kenny Bell tripped on the turf?

The INT against South Carolina - you're talking about the hail mary pass to end the half that Dennard couldn't have played worse, against the best WR in the game?

OK.

 

[Landlord]

Ameer Abdullah's turnovers have cost us much more significantly in big games than Taylor Martinez's.

Ameer only had 1 fumble lost in a loss this year. That was @ UCLA.

So, I'd have to disagree.

3rd and 1 from the Georgia 39 yard line, tied 31-31, Rex pitched it to Abdullah who dove for a first down but fumbled.

Also,

3rd and 3 from the South Carolina 8 yard line, up 13-9, Ameer fumbled one inch outside the goal-line.

Oops! Missed the Georgia one.

Alright and are you ready for all of Martinez's? Just in the two "bigger" games? If we did it for the whole season, he has a lot more than (2 fumbles) in our losses.

NU down 16-14, T-Mart picked off. vs Georgia.

Conference champ: First throw - pick 6. Taylor fumble. Taylor INT.

Taylor intercepted up 13-9 vs South Carolina, which leads to a South Carolina TD going into halftime.

I kind of exclude the conference championship game as an anomaly for all players involved. Just personal preference.

As far as the others, vs. Georgia, Taylor's interception and Ameer's fumbles can likely be viewed with close to equal weight.

Vs. SC, Ameer's fumble cost us a guaranteed TD, and Taylor's interception led to a Hail Mary play - which counted, but let's just be real; it was a Hail Mary. 99 times out of 100, Taylor's interception then doesn't cost us any points. Granted Ameer's fumble was also a bit of a freak play, so let's not make any distinctions there either.

I still maintain that Ameer's came at more costly times and cost the team more.

 

[The King]

Oops! Missed the Georgia one.

Alright and are you ready for all of Martinez's? Just in the two "bigger" games? If we did it for the whole season, he has a lot more than (2 fumbles) in our losses.

NU down 16-14, T-Mart picked off. vs Georgia.

Conference champ: First throw - pick 6. Taylor fumble. Taylor INT.

Taylor intercepted up 13-9 vs South Carolina, which leads to a South Carolina TD going into halftime.

The conference championship game against Wiscy? The one where Kenny Bell tripped on the turf?

The INT against South Carolina - you're talking about the hail mary pass to end the half that Dennard couldn't have played worse, against the best WR in the game?

OK.

The defense is to blame for the TD - that was awful hail mary defense and shouldn't be allowed, but Taylor did throw an INT before that. So correct.

And as far as the CCG, yup. I'm not going to cherry pick turnover statistics. Or else we could look at Ameers fumbles and say that some should be overturned. Same with Taylors.

FACT: We lost possession of the ball. TURNOVER.

 

[The King]

Ameer Abdullah's turnovers have cost us much more significantly in big games than Taylor Martinez's.

Ameer only had 1 fumble lost in a loss this year. That was @ UCLA.

So, I'd have to disagree.

3rd and 1 from the Georgia 39 yard line, tied 31-31, Rex pitched it to Abdullah who dove for a first down but fumbled.

Also,

3rd and 3 from the South Carolina 8 yard line, up 13-9, Ameer fumbled one inch outside the goal-line.

Oops! Missed the Georgia one.

Alright and are you ready for all of Martinez's? Just in the two "bigger" games? If we did it for the whole season, he has a lot more than (2 fumbles) in our losses.

NU down 16-14, T-Mart picked off. vs Georgia.

Conference champ: First throw - pick 6. Taylor fumble. Taylor INT.

Taylor intercepted up 13-9 vs South Carolina, which leads to a South Carolina TD going into halftime.

I kind of exclude the conference championship game as an anomaly for all players involved. Just personal preference.

As far as the others, vs. Georgia, Taylor's interception and Ameer's fumbles can likely be viewed with close to equal weight.

Vs. SC, Ameer's fumble cost us a guaranteed TD, and Taylor's interception led to a Hail Mary play - which counted, but let's just be real; it was a Hail Mary. 99 times out of 100, Taylor's interception then doesn't cost us any points. Granted Ameer's fumble was also a bit of a freak play, so let's not make any distinctions there either.

I still maintain that Ameer's came at more costly times and cost the team more.

So in the end, they are about equal then. Ameer's fumble freak play cost us 7 points and Taylors int cost us 7 points (in a different way). Just for the sake of it, I'll say Ameer's was slightly more costly (although I truly believe that hail mary swung momentum for the rest of the game).

So, excluding the CCG, I'd say it is a "push" at best. And once again, you're talking to the guy who has said Ameer's fumble issues are another serious issue and that I think he is somewhat overrated by fans - I forgot the thread, but I got ran off for it also. I'm sure someone remembers the conversation. I think it started when I said that Ameer would be lucky to start as a senior and should consider the NFL if he can, because I doubt he'd start over AT and Newby as a senior with his fumble issues. I also don't only blame Taylor.