Bo Pelini Dream Team

[It'sNotAFakeID]

So in the end, they are about equal then. Ameer's fumble freak play cost us 7 points and Taylors int cost us 7 points (in a different way). Just for the sake of it, I'll say Ameer's was slightly more costly (although I truly believe that hail mary swung momentum for the rest of the game).

So, excluding the CCG, I'd say it is a "push" at best. And once again, you're talking to the guy who has said Ameer's fumble issues are another serious issue and that I think he is somewhat overrated by fans - I forgot the thread, but I got ran off for it also. I'm sure someone remembers the conversation. I think it started when I said that Ameer is lucky he won't be around next year, because I doubt he'd start over AT and Newby as a senior with his fumble issues. I also don't only blame Taylor.

Except that Ameer will be around for next year, because, you know, he's only a junior this year.

 

[The King]

So in the end, they are about equal then. Ameer's fumble freak play cost us 7 points and Taylors int cost us 7 points (in a different way). Just for the sake of it, I'll say Ameer's was slightly more costly (although I truly believe that hail mary swung momentum for the rest of the game).

So, excluding the CCG, I'd say it is a "push" at best. And once again, you're talking to the guy who has said Ameer's fumble issues are another serious issue and that I think he is somewhat overrated by fans - I forgot the thread, but I got ran off for it also. I'm sure someone remembers the conversation. I think it started when I said that Ameer is lucky he won't be around next year, because I doubt he'd start over AT and Newby as a senior with his fumble issues. I also don't only blame Taylor.

Except that Ameer will be around for next year, because, you know, he's only a junior this year.

I amended it. It started when someone brought up the possibility of the NFL and I said he better hope so because I doubt he'd start as a senior over Newby and AT.

 

[Mierin]

 

[Saunders]

Oh i won't hide my disdain for T Magic as a QB. Not. At. All. Is it anything personal against him? Not. At. All either. No way. My favorite T-Magic moment and yes I have one is him running with Jack Hoffman for all of those 69 yards. One of the classiest things I have ever seen in both Husker and college football. As a proud member of Team Jack, I lost my niece to pediatric brain cancer I will never forget that.

What you Martinez fanboys have to understand is that not everyone is in love with him as you are. Life will go on for you! I mean you have your starter and have had your starter for the last 4 years *cough* am I correct?!!! The concensus at least in this thread or if you ask that saunders dude is how great Martinez is. Not everyone sees the apparent great QB that you might so getting your panties all in a bunch per usual after someone simply says that Joe Ganz was their 'pick' on Pelini's all time team is on you..... I can't stand Martinez as a QB. It is painful to watch and unlike the same 5 or 6 usual people here who flock down to defend Taylor anytime someone gives an opinion that doesn't match theirs in a thread you can thank them for taking a simple opinion from someone and turning it into another let's defend Taylor campaign/thread yet again...yawn.... People have opinions and quite valid opinions that don't match yours. Please be a big boy and deal with it... GBR

See, here's the thing, those of us "defending" him are making valid and rational rebuttals (we need a defense, hello) while you are not (anyone on the roster is better). It's plain and simple. I don't think he's great, I just don't think he's terrible. I mean, you'd think if he sucked so bad, that somebody else would have beat him out, unless you're a tinfoil hatter. You're welcome to your opinion, just don't expect people to accept it when it's crazy.

I've said that he isn't the -only- thing holding us back and I've also said that he is the right choice for our starting QB. I don't think he is great enough - in this offense - for him to win anything significant here. I think we could do much worse, and we would be hard pressed to do much better. Hate to harp on it, once again, but there is a reason Chip Kelly started players that could make good decisions and not turn the ball over, over arguably more 'talented' players in a very similar offense.

None of that matters. Why? Because Oregon had a better defense.

 

[knapplc]

And as far as the CCG, yup. I'm not going to cherry pick turnover statistics. Or else we could look at Ameers fumbles and say that some should be overturned. Same with Taylors.

FACT: We lost possession of the ball. TURNOVER.

Weak.

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

And as far as the CCG, yup. I'm not going to cherry pick turnover statistics. Or else we could look at Ameers fumbles and say that some should be overturned. Same with Taylors.

FACT: We lost possession of the ball. TURNOVER.

Weak.

Created equal all turnovers are not.

 

[The King]

OK, I guess it wasn't a turnover then and it doesn't count in the record book.

Oh and I guess Ameer's two fumbles where his knee was down do not count either.

I guess we don't have any turnover problems!

Or, we can admit fluke plays happen and in fact, it was a turnover no matter how you slice it.

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

The problem with treating every turnover the same is that, if we're trying to assess a true evaluation of a quarterback, all turnovers are not the same. There are some that are at the fault of the WR (i.e. Wisconsin CCG, where Kenny slips/falls or whatever). How can you blame that one on the QB when, had Kenny not slipped, he would've caught the pass?

Fumbles are a different thing entirely. Because there is only one offensive player involved, and, whether or not your knee was down, you have to hang on to the football.

 

[Saunders]

The problem with treating every turnover the same is that, if we're trying to assess a true evaluation of a quarterback, all turnovers are not the same. There are some that are at the fault of the WR (i.e. Wisconsin CCG, where Kenny slips/falls or whatever). How can you blame that one on the QB when, had Kenny not slipped, he would've caught the pass?

Fumbles are a different thing entirely. Because there is only one offensive player involved, and, whether or not your knee was down, you have to hang on to the football.

What if the OL completely whifs and the QB gets blindsided and fumbles? It's happen to us way too often.

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

The problem with treating every turnover the same is that, if we're trying to assess a true evaluation of a quarterback, all turnovers are not the same. There are some that are at the fault of the WR (i.e. Wisconsin CCG, where Kenny slips/falls or whatever). How can you blame that one on the QB when, had Kenny not slipped, he would've caught the pass?

Fixed. I wish there'd be something called a "true turnover rating"

 

[killer cacti]

Maybe that is how it is on this board. But, I know a few people who honestly want him gone as fast as possible because they truly think he totally sucks.

I've checked out other boards. I just couldn't stand the ignorance and either never joined or left after a while.

It's a wasteland out there for common sense Husker talk once you get past HuskerBoard.

That's because other boards don't have das knappic.

Thanks, but it has far more to do with people like saunders45, The Dude, zoogies, NUance, Bye Bye Big XII, True To The Red..... Always, PaulCrewe, EZ-E, ADS, GSG5545, walksalone, carlfense, BigRedBuster, JJHusker,1 T_O_Bull, HuskerfaninOkieland, Moiraine, Mr. Accountability, Nexus, Landlord of Memorial Stadium, suh_fan93, OregonHuskerMan, MLB 51, Chaddyboxer, ShawnWatson, The Maudfather, HuskerShark, huskerjock, Po Belini, skersfan, kchusker_chris, strigori, Roxy, Mavric, Lyons in the Sea of Red., GM_Tood, Omaha-Husker, NU-Bo, Husker_x, Foppa, StPaulHusker, corncraze, TwinkeltoesFlintstone, sd'sker, Stumpy1, Rollin'Rock, ZRod, jsneb83, tschu, KJ., QMany, Blackshirts007, Husker Addict, rawhide, AR Husker Fan, Eric the Red, Touchdown Tommie, HuskerFowler, hskrprid, Spooky Tooth, Fuzzy, Minnesota_husker, Army_Allen, Hedley Lamarr, lo country, matthew_m_g, killer cacti, fro daddy, Army Husker, Deckedinblack, Comish, C N Red, beanman, NUpolo8, teachercd, HuskerNationNick, RedDenver, ladyhawke, RedRedJarvisRedwhine, husker_99, robsker, epocSon, da skers, etc., etc., etc.