Bo's Job Security - 2013(ish)

[TheSker]

It may have been a different type of season without all the injuries...maybe not. But I'm pretty sure if NU had stayed healthy and we had the same record, Bo would probably be gone.

Highly doubtful......coaches with records like Pelini's don't get fired unless there are significant off the field issues.

Solich had a pretty good record (higher winning % than Bo's), and he got axed.

Yeah, and did that turn out well for us?

No! I bet they wish they hadn't fired him. Surprised me especially in light of Tom's history. I don't know if you're old enough to remember, but there were many calling for his head in the mid-70s. That said, he conducted himself with class, as did Solich. Pelini drops F bombs like they are the word of the day, and uses them to describe our fans. He ridiculed a former star, and he constantly argues with officials to the point of embarrassment even as Dr. Tom pulled him aside after the Texas game a few years back and told him that's not how we conduct ourselves at NU.

We have a catch 22 situation on our hands. The guy can recruit, I mean we have a boatload of talent on this team, I think much more so than most realize, but the guy can't coach. When I watch the Pelini Huskers I get the feeling that half the team is confused. Maybe we should can the no huddle, and just get back to smash-mouth ballin.

Many point to our 9 and 4 records as a mark of success. I hate if's and but's, but we probably should have lost the Wyoming game, definitely the Northwestern game, and won two tossups against Michigan and Penn St. Look at the 4 losses. UCLA ripped us, Minn. gashed us, and Iowa took us apart so miserably that Bo had a public meltdown during and after the game. Mich. St. just beat us.

Pelini has had to pick up the recruiting efforts the past 3 seasons. And Dr Tom is firmly in Pelini's corner.....including coming to Pelini's defense on the tape.

 

[SWAMI]

It may have been a different type of season without all the injuries...maybe not. But I'm pretty sure if NU had stayed healthy and we had the same record, Bo would probably be gone.

Highly doubtful......coaches with records like Pelini's don't get fired unless there are significant off the field issues.

Solich had a pretty good record (higher winning % than Bo's), and he got axed.

Correct....so other than Nebraska doing it once before, any other examples? For Solich it might have been better to do it a year earlier when he was 7-7.

And there is still the "possibility" that there were some "off the field" issues involved anyway.

I don't think we need to give other examples of coaches with half way decent numbers getting their walking papers. We did it once because we hold these guys to a higher standard. We expect excellence achieved with class, not embarrassment then finger-pointing excuses. Not to say the latter occurred with Solich. It didn't. He lost with class and dignity. I think it was just a case of unfair comparison to Tom's teams of the 90s. Tom had the same problem in the early and mid 70s.

 

[TheSker]

I don't think we need to give other examples of coaches with half way decent numbers getting their walking papers..

You won't find any

 

[SWAMI]

It may have been a different type of season without all the injuries...maybe not. But I'm pretty sure if NU had stayed healthy and we had the same record, Bo would probably be gone.

Highly doubtful......coaches with records like Pelini's don't get fired unless there are significant off the field issues.

Cool. So someone should just start a poll each year on what 4 teams we're going to lose to.

I'm sure it would be an interesting poll for those whose only focus on Husker football is the 24 losses the past 6 seasons. The rest of us are watching an excellent DL being put together by a coach who stabilized a program that lost more than 4 games 3 times in 6 seasons before he took over. But by all means, focus on whatever you like.

Oh, what we can do with numbers. You're wrong, it was actually 4 times in 6 seasons before Pelini. Here they are with a few others that tell a more complete story: Solich 1998 9-4, 1999 12-1, 2000 10-2, 2001 11-2, 2002 7-7, 2003 10-3 Callahan 2004 5-6, 2005 8-4, 2006 9-5, 2007 5-7. So 3 out of those 4 were under Callahan's watch. I think you would have to agree(?) Solich's record looks a whole lot better than Pelini's.

 

[junior4949]

I don't think we need to give other examples of coaches with half way decent numbers getting their walking papers..

You won't find any

Say what? Lloyd Carr was forced out at Michigan. They've been searching for their way ever since. Phillip Fulmer was forced out at Tennessee. They've been searching for their way ever since. Larry Coker was forced out at Miami. Rinse, repeat. These guys all won NC's.

 

[knapplc]

Say what? Lloyd Carr was forced out at Michigan. They've been searching for their way ever since. Phillip Fulmer was forced out at Tennessee. They've been searching for their way ever since. Larry Coker was forced out at Miami. Rinse, repeat. These guys all won NC's.

 

[junior4949]

Whether one wants Bo gone or not, I believe it is imperative to see things for what they are. I think most can agree that the USC and the Texas job would be more desirable than the job here at Nebraska. USC either made an extremely lazy hire, or they were turned down by who they really wanted. Rumor has it Texas was turned down by three different coaches before landing the Louisville coach. If we made a change, I'm just not sure we'd be bettering ourselves.

 

[sd'sker]

Whether one wants Bo gone or not, I believe it is imperative to see things for what they are. I think most can agree that the USC and the Texas job would be more desirable than the job here at Nebraska. USC either made an extremely lazy hire, or they were turned down by who they really wanted. Rumor has it Texas was turned down by three different coaches before landing the Louisville coach. If we made a change, I'm just not sure we'd be bettering ourselves.

i would have wanted charlie strong (only way to get watson back into the fold), but i think you are right. i think we support the program and hope that bo finally has the pieces to live up to the expectations that he has set for himself.

 

[SWAMI]

I don't think we need to give other examples of coaches with half way decent numbers getting their walking papers..

You won't find any

Say what? Lloyd Carr was forced out at Michigan. They've been searching for their way ever since. Phillip Fulmer was forced out at Tennessee. They've been searching for their way ever since. Larry Coker was forced out at Miami. Rinse, repeat. These guys all won NC's.

Thank you Junior. We could probably include the Texas coach as well.

 

[StPaulHusker]

I don't think we need to give other examples of coaches with half way decent numbers getting their walking papers..

You won't find any

Say what? Lloyd Carr was forced out at Michigan. They've been searching for their way ever since. Phillip Fulmer was forced out at Tennessee. They've been searching for their way ever since. Larry Coker was forced out at Miami. Rinse, repeat. These guys all won NC's.

Thank you Junior. We could probably include the Texas coach as well.

While these coaches mentioned did have decent numbers, most of them were removed after showing decline in their program. Bo has not shown decline or improvement from his record.

Lloyd Carr might be the exception record wise but he was 6-7 against Ohio State and lost to Appalachian State. I suppose in Michigan terms that would be enough to lose your job.

Phillip Fulmer had 2 losing seasons after winning the NC in 98

Larry Coker basically won with Butch Davis' recruits in his first 3 years and then it went South after that.

 

[junior4949]

I don't think we need to give other examples of coaches with half way decent numbers getting their walking papers..

You won't find any

Say what? Lloyd Carr was forced out at Michigan. They've been searching for their way ever since. Phillip Fulmer was forced out at Tennessee. They've been searching for their way ever since. Larry Coker was forced out at Miami. Rinse, repeat. These guys all won NC's.

Thank you Junior. We could probably include the Texas coach as well.

While these coaches mentioned did have decent numbers, most of them were removed after showing decline in their program. Bo has not shown decline or improvement from his record.

Lloyd Carr might be the exception record wise but he was 6-7 against Ohio State and lost to Appalachian State. I suppose in Michigan terms that would be enough to lose your job.

Phillip Fulmer had 2 losing seasons after winning the NC in 98

Larry Coker basically won with Butch Davis' recruits in his first 3 years and then it went South after that.

All of the teams these coaches were removed from have gotten worse after removing said coach. Tennessee has become a joke. Miami seemed to be on the right path this year until the wheels fell off. Rich Rod did his damdest to destroy Michigan football. Removing a coach who has won a NC for on field performance has not gone well for most teams. Texas fans five years from now might very well be wishing Mack Brown was back.

Removing Bo Pelini for on field performance would be about the worst thing we could possibly do right now. Making a change doesn't always translate into something changing for the better. Considering who USC just hired, I can't even begin to imagine what Nebraska would end up with if Bo was forced out. Charlie Strong might very well work out for Texas, but I'd be willing to bet he doesn't do any better than Mack Brown did which might very well make him a short termer in Austin.

 

[kchusker_chris]

Whether one wants Bo gone or not, I believe it is imperative to see things for what they are. I think most can agree that the USC and the Texas job would be more desirable than the job here at Nebraska. USC either made an extremely lazy hire, or they were turned down by who they really wanted. Rumor has it Texas was turned down by three different coaches before landing the Louisville coach. If we made a change, I'm just not sure we'd be bettering ourselves.

The Texas job is unique. Not many true college coaches would take it IMO. 5-10 years ago...surely. Today, not so much. It's all about money of course, but with the Texas gig, you might as well just go to the NFL and forget the recruiting. It's a media frenzy down there. They mike up the assistants during practice, have daily reports, the athletes are prodded for media content, etc. The Longhorn Network may be a cash cow, but it's ultimately going to be negative for the program IMO. The focus is no longer football at Texas.

I think a lot of outside coaches see that. Do you honestly think if Bo was offered $5 million to go to Texas he would? I think he's smart enough to know he'd hate every second of his time there. I think a guy like Chris Perterson would hate every minute there. Art Briles, same way. That's a job for a guy like Lane Kiffin. A personality, a politician. Not your typical CF coach.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Yeah, I dont understand the prestige of a job like texas right now. Why would any coach go to a place like that where if you dont win it all, your on the hotseat, as opposed to going to a place like Ok St or Ole Miss where the expectations are simply not that insane and you can build something, but if you dont fully succeed and you happen to lose a couple games here and there, they wont immediately run you out of town.