Brion Carnes and Jamal Turner

[huskerscott]

Anyone blaming Martinez for his poor passing performance probably didn't watch the game. He did NOT look fundamentally sound, he still throws without a proper base, and he shotputs the ball sometimes, but overall, he was tolerable. He has a lot of work to do, though.

To quote walksalone........ what?!?!?!?

Did you watch the game?

No I didnt. I just dont understand what you wrote.

I'm tired. I'm probably not all that lucid. Not hard to believe.

I guess what I was getting at was that, while Martinez didn't evolve into Vince Ferragamo since 12/30/10, he didn't regress, either. He has basic QB fundamentals issues that have not been fixed since last year. But, having said that, his lack of gaudy stats in this game were not entirely his fault. His WRs were in traffic constantly. I don't think he had ten open receivers to choose from all game. He was the victim of bad luck on his INT, and he needs to, needs to, needs to improve overall as a passer. BUT, even with all that, he was fine today.

I don't want to sugar-coat it. He didn't have an impressive game. But it wasn't horrible, either. And a lot of it was not his fault. It was just the way the game progressed.

His INT was not because of bad luck; it was because he threw it behind his receiver(who would have run for a lot of yards after the catch had the ball been where it was supposed to be). He threw into double and triple coverage on several occassions as well. He looked pretty bad to me. And yes I watched the game. I guess my standards for a D1 qb must be higher, because to me, his performance was the very definition of horrible. Hopefully he'll improve by this fall, but I won't be surprised if the doesn't make much improvement throwing. I'm not going to put much stock into this game since it's just a scrimmage, but Taylor looks the same as the old Taylor, and we have a young guy that I believe will overtake him. And I don't see any way in hell that Green will be the #2 at the start of the season.

Be careful of your over anaylsis on Taylor, you will be label a hater. Atleast Im not the only one seeing this. :hellloooo

I would love for him to prove me wrong and lead us to the promised land. But I just don't think he is a good QB. If that makes me a hater then so be it. I just want the guy that gives us the best shot to win the game in there. I probably missed some things from my perch in row 68, but that's what I saw...

Atleast there is 2 of us on here. Despite my so called hateness on Taylor I think he is a great athlete and a weapon we need on the field. Just not behind center.

If he wins the starting job and proves me wrong then so be it. But im going to remain skeptical until I see improvement. From what Ive seen on highlights he looks like the old Taylor, but I dont mean the Taylor that played KState.

 

[blasted_imposter]

I'm not sure where the "Martinez had a bad game" talk is coming from. I didn't see a bad game. I saw a decent, but not great game. Both Martinez and Green were victimized by drops. Martinez had an INT that went into the hands of his WR, out, and into the hands of the DB. Anyone blaming Martinez for his poor passing performance probably didn't watch the game. He did NOT look fundamentally sound, he still throws without a proper base, and he shotputs the ball sometimes, but overall, he was tolerable. He has a lot of work to do, though.

Martinez rolled to his left, threw on the run, and hit his WR. So much for the theory that he "can't" roll out. Ran for a first down on his first carry, got the edge. His worst-looking throw was an obvious dump into the only open spot on the field. I suppose if you didn't see what was happening you'd think he just threw the ball into the dirt, but he was throwing it away intentionally.

Green is going to be a TE someday. Or he'll ride the bench. He's not progressing, and it's frankly sad to see him go out there, lock onto one WR, and ignore the rest. Or run the "zone read" play without making a read.

Carnes looked quite good. His throwing motion, while long, looked the best of anyone - save RK3. He threw some darts, looked through his progressions, and he hit his targets reasonably well. He is definitely our #2 QB, and he'll be pushing Martinez for that #1 spot.

We ran several "zone read" plays which weren't read plays, just like last year. Many times the handoff was made while the DE was crashing down on the RB, and overall it was just an ugly play today. I really hope we scrap it. The way we're running it right now, it's ugly, slow and often not a true "read." I'm not sure what the point of it is, honestly.

Ron Kellogg III was fine today. He is probably the best pure passer we have, and he moved the offense reasonably well, I thought. I was pleasantly surprised with him.

Jamal Turner is the real deal. I cannot wait to see him light up opponents. His career is going to be quite fun to watch. He looked good in just about every phase of the game today. Not sure what I'd criticize if I had to find something.

This.