Look, dont try and change the argument when you are obviously wrong. Once again, it was me who started the thread, than stated that of the 31 players that received honors, 16 of them came in through Callahan. It makes no difference if there is grade inflation or not, as that should just mean that if the hypothesis that Callahan is bringing in dumber recruits who wont do as well academically as the Solich recruits is true, than everyone should benefit equally and Solich recruits should have higher GPA's than Callahan recruits. That is not the case however, and general improvement in the team GPA can definately not be shunted off by grade inflation either, as two years is far to short a time for significant change to occur. There have been no degrees programs added in the past couple of years other than professional golf management, which is a business/agriculture degree, and certainly is more difficult than physical education, which is what it replaced. You attacked the author of the thread, which was me, in your post. You than responded to my post by arguing against a DIFFERENT poster. Now you have me to contend with as well if you are going to continue on this rediculus line of logic that somehow grade inflation has anything to do with the Callahan Solich debate in the time span specified.
I'm guessing this is directed at me.. let me see if I can recreate what has been written just so there aren't too many misunderstandings.
1. Stuck in Chicago posts the list of honors athletes by the big 12.
some commentary in between...
2. Husker Rob posts, "Lets see about the recruits benard.
Crag Roark
Zach Potter
Harrison Beck
Jordon Congdon
Lance Brandonburg
J.B. Phillips"
3. I reply "Brandenburg was originally recruited by Solich, but signed with the new staff and Callahan in the 2004 class.
Phillips signed with Solich in 2003"
Note the lack of commentary in this post, I was simply replying to what I thought was his question on these players. Brandenburg and Phillips were associated with Solich in some way, the others were Callahan's, obviously.
4. DJR313 replies to me, "What difference does it make who's recruits are who's? They are all Huskers and since Callahan has become head coach, the team's Grade Point Average has improved. FACT. End of story." Always nice to get a bit of vitriol thrown at you when you reply to someone's question
5. I reply to DJR313, "I don't particularly care. Given what grade inflation is at NU and other state schools, I'm not that impressed by most of the GPA's that these athletes put together. It's just that if someone is going to make a thread about how wonderful Callahan is, they should at least get their facts straight."
I probably shouldn't have put in the last sentence, as I wasn't really questioning StuckinChicago's facts, rather just answering Husker Rob's question. On the other hand, I was PO'd about how DJR replied to me, so i replied in kind.
At this point, people should ask themselves if I have said that the players today are less intelligent, or more intelligent. It seems obvious to me that I said that, "I don't particularly care"
6. DJR replies, "Is there anyway you can prove or disprove that? Or is that just an off-the-cuff remark based upon opinion? I don't understand how you could possibly quantify what you just said. Like you just said, if you are going to post, get your FACTS straight. "
7. I reply to DJR with plenty of information on Grade inflation in our university system. The intention here wasn't to make the point that Callahan's players were the beneficiary of grade inflation so much as to say once again that a 3.0 GPA isn't terribly impressive when the school's average GPA is 3.1. I also point out that any comparison between Callahan and Solich would require showing that, "The only way to accurately say they were doing BETTER is to show that they were at a higher rank versus their peers than under Solich and/or that they were selecting more difficult degrees."
BTW, it doesn't matter whether or not the school added or subtracted POSSIBLE degrees - the important test would be the difficulty of the degrees that were SELECTED by the players. Again, I haven't said whether or not Callahan's players are more or less intelligent than Solich's.
8. DJR replies, and explains that he apparently doesn't understand the clearly stated references for the data I posted. Seems to think that better college preparation is what is responsible for a average college GPA in 1969 being 2.6 and to it being 3.36 today.
9. I reply by once again saying that these lists don't impress me. Shouldn't an "honors" list at least list those students who are ABOVE AVERAGE at their respective institutions. I also noted that my reply was merely in response to someone asking about the 6 recruits above, and that I received a vitriolic reply to my answer.
10. I reply again to tell DJR that the sources were clearly noted, and that a simple google search would give him more than enough information on grade inflation.
11. DJR replies by stating that I misinterpreted the third article link I posted. (suggest that people read this and decide for themselves)
12. I post again with supporting information on grade inflation.
13. DJR replies by saying that apparently there is no grade inflation.. ever. Says that it doesn't reflect the rise in GPA on the team (my posts never suggested that and even laid out a course of research to see what was really responsible for the rise in GPA - see #7 above)
14. StuckinChicago jumps in with, "that if the hypothesis that Callahan is bringing in dumber recruits who wont do as well academically as the Solich recruits is true, than everyone should benefit equally and Solich recruits should have higher GPA's than Callahan recruits." Did I ever say that??
" You attacked the author of the thread, which was me, in your post." Didn't mean to do this and it was a poor choice of words when I was PO'd at another reply. So I apologize for that.
"Now you have me to contend with as well if you are going to continue on this rediculus line of logic that somehow grade inflation has anything to do with the Callahan Solich debate in the time span specified." Again, I never said that. However, I think I give very effective reasons for suggesting why the GPA might not mean much in the context of all the things that were happening.
cheers,
Alan...
