Callahan gone?

[JR 5]

I agree with you Junior, as I have heard it before, that Frank was a pretty decent recruiter in his own right 15 years ago, but I think that certain things had changed since then. For one the speed at which the game is played, which changes the type of athlete neccessary to be successful, as well as the dispositon of the average 17 year old kid. One thing is obvious. We had pretty decent weightroom and stadium facilities, a winning football program, rabid fans, and a tradition of success, yet werent recruiting as well as we need to. That puts the honus on Frank and his staff, and neither the old one, nor Frank's new one were really able to get it done. You can bash Callahan on alot of things, but recruiting isnt one of them at this point, just as it can not be called a strength of Solich at the end.

Callahan is clearly a great recruiter, and Solich was clearly not. Still, it would have been made easier for Solich had Byrne not let our facilities slide as far as he did.

 

[formerfan]

They did in 1 recruiting class more then Solich did his last 4 years at Nebraska. Callahan has brought in 12 prospects with 4 stars and 2 prospects with 5 stars. Solich managed only 2 prospects with 4 stars in his last 4 recruiting classes. One ended up being dismissed from the team (David Horne). The other one is fabian washington.

:rollin This is just too easy :rollin . Don’t you ever get tired of me proving you wrong? According to Rivals100, FSs last 2 classes (2002, 2003) had (1) 5* and (9) 4* recruits. The biggest problems was the recruits not panning out, leaving NU very thin.

2003-

4*-J Mueller

-Bo Ruud

-R Shuler

-B Teamer

2002-

5*-D Williams

4*-C Dukes

-M LeFlore

-D Horne

-F Washington

-J Moore

Like normal, I’m sure you won’t respond when you’re proven wrong. :wacko: Your lack of knowledge of Husker football is staggering, do yourself a favor and give it up.

 

[Pedro Guerrero]

2005 ScheduleDate Game Preseason

Pick Game-Day

Pick Actual

Score Game-Day

Pick W/L

9/3 Maine (1-AA) W (NL) 9/10 Wake Forest L (+1) 9/17 Pittsburgh L (+3)

10/1 Iowa State L (+1) 10/8 Texas Tech L (+11) 10/15 at Baylor W (-2)

11/22 at Missouri L (+3) 10/29 Oklahoma L (+18) 11/5 at Kansas L (+10)

11/12 Kansas State W (-1) 11/25 at Colorado L (+15)

If we lose 4 in a row at home to start the season Billy C. won't make it to game #6.

 

[JR 5]

Yikes. Sadly, it looks as if they are pretty accurate, usually.

I doubt we'll end up 3-8, but I've often said NU could go anywhere from 3-8 to 9-2 this year.

 

[formerfan]

Yikes. Sadly, it looks as if they are pretty accurate, usually.
I doubt we'll end up 3-8, but I've often said NU could go anywhere from 3-8 to 9-2 this year.

:yeah

I absolutely agree with you :thumbs

 

[skersfan]

They are looking at what we brought to the table last year. If you truly looked at it we were a 6-5 to a 5-6 team with the talent we had. Will our new supposed talent pay off.

This year they are not considering the Juco's nor the recruiting class. Most top programs do not consider Juco's and Freshman as program enhancing. As I have said many times most do not consider improvement until it is shown on the field. We have to prove we are that much better. Untill then it is all hopes and dreams on our part.

 

[NamelessHusker]

They did in 1 recruiting class more then Solich did his last 4 years at Nebraska. Callahan has brought in 12 prospects with 4 stars and 2 prospects with 5 stars. Solich managed only 2 prospects with 4 stars in his last 4 recruiting classes. One ended up being dismissed from the team (David Horne). The other one is fabian washington.

:rollin This is just too easy :rollin . Don’t you ever get tired of me proving you wrong? According to Rivals100, FSs last 2 classes (2002, 2003) had (1) 5* and (9) 4* recruits. The biggest problems was the recruits not panning out, leaving NU very thin.

2003-

4*-J Mueller

-Bo Ruud

-R Shuler

-B Teamer

2002-

5*-D Williams

4*-C Dukes

-M LeFlore

-D Horne

-F Washington

-J Moore

Like normal, I’m sure you won’t respond when you’re proven wrong. :wacko: Your lack of knowledge of Husker football is staggering, do yourself a favor and give it up.

That response is weak for several reasons. First off, when i said managed, i knew people understood it meant "averaged". Apperently everyone understands that except you. What's 9 prospects divided by 4 (do the math)? Second of all, your so called "LIST" of prospects is lacking. Compare your list of recruits to Callahans first full recruiting class. Your list includes how many kids from Nebraska? Lets take a look

1-David Horne -4 stars

2-Mike LeFlore -4 stars

3-Jay Moore -4 stars

4-Josh Mueller -4 stars

5-Bo Ruud -4 stars

6-Brandon Teamer -4 stars

7-Ryan Schuler (might as well be from Nebraska since he's from South Dakota)

How many out of state on your list?

Demarrio Williams - 5 stars

Curt Dukes -4 stars

Fabian Washington - 4 stars

Please name the last prospect FROM NEBRASKA with 4 STARS OR MORE or a player classified as a "IMPACT PLAYER" before recruiting services brought out their ranking system, that DID NOT end up a Husker? Sorry but you won't find one since 1987 (i will let you guess who that is since you seem to be the most knowledgeable husker fan among us supposedly). It's a GIVEN that Nebraska kids that "recruiting services" claim to be 4 stars or higher will end up as Huskers. It's actually a life fact, not just a given.

But i like this response of yours the most

The biggest problems was the recruits not panning out, leaving NU very thin.

Thanks for proving my point with your own words.

 

[formerfan]

They did in 1 recruiting class more then Solich did his last 4 years at Nebraska. Callahan has brought in 12 prospects with 4 stars and 2 prospects with 5 stars. Solich managed only 2 prospects with 4 stars in his last 4 recruiting classes. One ended up being dismissed from the team (David Horne). The other one is fabian washington.

:rollin This is just too easy :rollin . Don’t you ever get tired of me proving you wrong? According to Rivals100, FSs last 2 classes (2002, 2003) had (1) 5* and (9) 4* recruits. The biggest problems was the recruits not panning out, leaving NU very thin.

2003-

4*-J Mueller

-Bo Ruud

-R Shuler

-B Teamer

2002-

5*-D Williams

4*-C Dukes

-M LeFlore

-D Horne

-F Washington

-J Moore

Like normal, I’m sure you won’t respond when you’re proven wrong. :wacko: Your lack of knowledge of Husker football is staggering, do yourself a favor and give it up.

That response is weak for several reasons. First off, when i said managed, i knew people understood it meant "averaged". Apperently everyone understands that except you.

All I can say to that is WOW!!!! :blink: Either you are really grasping at straws here with your damage control, or you really dont know :WTH you are talking about. :dumdum

I'll give you a couple of definitions:

Manage-pull off: be successful; achieve a goal

Average-median(a): relating to or constituting the middle value of an ordered set of values

Im not sure where you went to school, but these are not even close to the same. I understand English, and what a word means :wacko: . Before you post, you should try to do the same.

I apologize for taking a word for its true meaning, I'll never do it again. What is this world coming to????? :sarcasm

I beg of all other members, did you think that he meant "average" when he said "managed"?????

What's 9 prospects divided by 4 (do the math)?

Uhh, okay??? Even if you did mean "averaged", since we only went back 2 YEARS 10/2= (5) four or five star recruits in FSs last 2 classes. Remedial arithmetic :dumdum ??????

Ryan Schuler (might as well be from Nebraska since he's from South Dakota)

Your argument about Schuler is way off base, as Iowa and Minnesota are also favorites of kids from the Dakotas, and Barney Cotton actually stole this guy from Oklahoma.

Your list includes how many kids from Nebraska? Lets take a look

Even so, what does it matter if the 4* or 5* recruits are from NE, they are still top recruits :bang ????? I guess that good players from NE are not as good as good players from other states huh?? Just ask Crouch, or Remington, or D Steinkuhler, or A Green, or Sayers, or Z Wiegert, or....whatever. :wacko:

Gotcha!! :thumbs

:sarcasm

Compare your list of recruits to Callahans first full recruiting class.

If you want to compare to billy c's first class (2004), well then lets do that- billy c. had (2) 4* recruits Myrtha, and Grixby-who by your own admission does not count since he is a Nebraska kid :dumdum So by your own warped math, he got (1) 4* in his first year.

Please name the last prospect FROM NEBRASKA with 4 STARS OR MORE or a player classified as a "IMPACT PLAYER" before recruiting services brought out their ranking system, that DID NOT end up a Husker? Sorry but you won't find one since 1987 It's a GIVEN that Nebraska kids that "recruiting services" claim to be 4 stars or higher will end up as Huskers. It's actually a life fact, not just a given.

As far as the last big time recruit to leave, well, I remember Ty Goode (90's), Junior Bryant, and OL-Tim Ridder (90s) from Creighton Prep that went to Notre Dame, they were all top players in the state. There was a db from Central (Williams??) a few years ago that went to Michigan, and Frost (90s) went to Stanford. Im not sure what their "stars" were, but they were all pretty good players.

Thanks for proving my point with your own words

You have no point , all you do is make a bunch of false statements in the hopes that someone will believe you. Pretty funny though, a bunch of us have seen through your gargbage.

Now what are you gonna do, come back with another bogus, blatantly untrue post, damage control, or are you going to act like you took the high road and "ignore" it??

 

[Pedro Guerrero]

Please name the last prospect FROM NEBRASKA with 4 STARS OR MORE or a player classified as a "IMPACT PLAYER" before recruiting services brought out their ranking system, that DID NOT end up a Husker? Sorry but you won't find one since 1987 It's a GIVEN that Nebraska kids that "recruiting services" claim to be 4 stars or higher will end up as Huskers. It's actually a life fact, not just a given.

As far as the last big time recruit to leave, well, I remember Ty Goode (90's), Junior Bryant, and OL-Tim Ridder (90s) from Creighton Prep that went to Notre Dame, they were all top players in the state. There was a db from Central (Williams??) a few years ago that went to Michigan, and Frost (90s) went to Stanford. Im not sure what their "stars" were, but they were all pretty good players.

Don't forget Stevie Hicks out of Prep in 02. He was a :star :star :star :star according to Rivals. He went to ISU to play RB. Crap formerfan I agree with you on this statement. :bang

 

[formerfan]

Don't forget Stevie Hicks out of Prep in 02.  He was a  :star   :star   :star   :star according to Rivals.  He went to ISU to play RB.  Crap formerfan I agree with you on this statement. :bang

LMAO :thumbs

I forgot about him.

Did I miss something when Nameless said FS "managed" only (2) 4* recruits in his last 2 years, or am I the only one who knows what that means??? :blink:

 

[StuckinChicago]

Only thing I dont agree with is the assertion that Callahan only landed two in his first class. He was only on the job for a couple of months, and we cannot fully credit that class to him, or Solich for that matter. Another thing that I would argue, not that it has anything to do with the disagreement between nameless and former, is that while Solich did manage to grab a few four star guys a year, most were from fairly close geographical regions, and very few were among the elite prospects. He didnt go after the best in the nation the way the other top programs do. Even if he doesnt get them, at least Bill has the top recruits thinking about Lincoln.

 

[formerfan]

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[skersfan]

FF,

All you need to do is read the bios of the top players recruited this year. Most made the comment they did not know much about Nebraska, but they were now interested due to the fact of the WCO and an NFL coach.

How could one of the most successful programs in college football be an unknown to the top athletes in the country.. One reason only, no personal contact. We recruited basically on a regional basis, unless the kid contacted us and wanted to come to Nebraska.

After Tom left we normally were only mentioned by 3 or 4 kids in Rivals top 100, now we are mentioned by 30 to 35. Program awareness is what BC brought, that alone gets us in the door to top athletes accross the country. As much as I like Frank he just could not do that.

I think he began to understand the problem, and that was the option. Kids just did not want anything to do with it. He was starting to put together a more balanced/passing offense, but I think it would have taken years for it to be successfull. Frank recruited kids that really had no where else to go or were locked into Nebraska from birth. I also question the number of his recruits that have quit or left the team, not just the recent ones but earlier problems. Character is question in my mind. Others passed on kids we recruited for a reason.

I think BC is a major step up in recruiting and possible coaching. The coaching still remains to be seen, but I truly believe he will get it done.

 

[NamelessHusker]

They did in 1 recruiting class more then Solich did his last 4 years at Nebraska. Callahan has brought in 12 prospects with 4 stars and 2 prospects with 5 stars. Solich managed only 2 prospects with 4 stars in his last 4 recruiting classes. One ended up being dismissed from the team (David Horne). The other one is fabian washington.

:rollin This is just too easy :rollin . Don’t you ever get tired of me proving you wrong? According to Rivals100, FSs last 2 classes (2002, 2003) had (1) 5* and (9) 4* recruits. The biggest problems was the recruits not panning out, leaving NU very thin.

2003-

4*-J Mueller

-Bo Ruud

-R Shuler

-B Teamer

2002-

5*-D Williams

4*-C Dukes

-M LeFlore

-D Horne

-F Washington

-J Moore

Like normal, I’m sure you won’t respond when you’re proven wrong. :wacko: Your lack of knowledge of Husker football is staggering, do yourself a favor and give it up.

That response is weak for several reasons. First off, when i said managed, i knew people understood it meant "averaged". Apperently everyone understands that except you.

All I can say to that is WOW!!!! :blink: Either you are really grasping at straws here with your damage control, or you really dont know :WTH you are talking about. :dumdum

I'll give you a couple of definitions:

Manage-pull off: be successful; achieve a goal

Average-median(a): relating to or constituting the middle value of an ordered set of values

Im not sure where you went to school, but these are not even close to the same. I understand English, and what a word means :wacko: . Before you post, you should try to do the same.

I apologize for taking a word for its true meaning, I'll never do it again. What is this world coming to????? :sarcasm

I beg of all other members, did you think that he meant "average" when he said "managed"?????

What's 9 prospects divided by 4 (do the math)?

Uhh, okay??? Even if you did mean "averaged", since we only went back 2 YEARS 10/2= (5) four or five star recruits in FSs last 2 classes. Remedial arithmetic :dumdum ??????

Ryan Schuler (might as well be from Nebraska since he's from South Dakota)

Your argument about Schuler is way off base, as Iowa and Minnesota are also favorites of kids from the Dakotas, and Barney Cotton actually stole this guy from Oklahoma.

Your list includes how many kids from Nebraska? Lets take a look

Even so, what does it matter if the 4* or 5* recruits are from NE, they are still top recruits :bang ????? I guess that good players from NE are not as good as good players from other states huh?? Just ask Crouch, or Remington, or D Steinkuhler, or A Green, or Sayers, or Z Wiegert, or....whatever. :wacko:

Gotcha!! :thumbs

:sarcasm

Compare your list of recruits to Callahans first full recruiting class.

If you want to compare to billy c's first class (2004), well then lets do that- billy c. had (2) 4* recruits Myrtha, and Grixby-who by your own admission does not count since he is a Nebraska kid :dumdum So by your own warped math, he got (1) 4* in his first year.

Please name the last prospect FROM NEBRASKA with 4 STARS OR MORE or a player classified as a "IMPACT PLAYER" before recruiting services brought out their ranking system, that DID NOT end up a Husker? Sorry but you won't find one since 1987 It's a GIVEN that Nebraska kids that "recruiting services" claim to be 4 stars or higher will end up as Huskers. It's actually a life fact, not just a given.

As far as the last big time recruit to leave, well, I remember Ty Goode (90's), Junior Bryant, and OL-Tim Ridder (90s) from Creighton Prep that went to Notre Dame, they were all top players in the state. There was a db from Central (Williams??) a few years ago that went to Michigan, and Frost (90s) went to Stanford. Im not sure what their "stars" were, but they were all pretty good players.

Thanks for proving my point with your own words

You have no point , all you do is make a bunch of false statements in the hopes that someone will believe you. Pretty funny though, a bunch of us have seen through your gargbage.

Now what are you gonna do, come back with another bogus, blatantly untrue post, damage control, or are you going to act like you took the high road and "ignore" it??

Are my cheesy fries done yet?

 

[DJR313]

Are my cheesy fries done yet?

That's pretty weak. Former and newearth beat me to the punch otherwise I would have called you on that as well since three of those guys went to the same high school I did . Can't believe I am saying this, but Former I think you nailed him. :blink: