husker rob
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Callahan was the Offensive Coordinater for Jon Gruden running the same offense. the players quit on him because they did like the way he would discipline them compared to what they were used to with Gruden.
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Bleedin_Red
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PoohBear, I for one mostly just read what others have to say on here. I don't tend to speak up much. It really gets old to read all of your negativity! For once, it would be nice to read you say something positive. I don't see why you bother claiming to be a fan. There is a little saying I was taught when I was a kid. It goes a little something like this... If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all! Try it sometime! :angry:
BIGREDIOWAN
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You don't want to start with me junior because we all think the same thing about you!!!! Just check the woodshed!!!!
Between the two of you the negativity is freakin ridiculous. If you want to be negative fans and try and ruin everyone else's hopes go to some other board where your kind is accepted!!!! I disagree with both of you. Obviously you don't know the first thing about football if you think we haven't gotten better!!!! Our recruiting is better and you can't just turn a program around overnight especially when you have recruits that were recruited for one system and then you come out and change it to another system. It's hard to change a team from Option to WCO. Obviously you two don't know that so do us all a favor and just leave!!!! Don't change your opinion either when BC starts winning Championships!!!!!
FriscoTXHusker
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I've heard people claim that BC's WCO is complicated but I think the man himself may have said one time that it's not really much different than what they run at SC. I'm not convinced that BC's version really is more complicated. There are those who think the WCO is too complicated for college where there is constant built in turnover and the philosophy of the system depends on precision timed passing in traffic and having to check off 5 receivers. It requires a highly skilled QB and receivers with sure hands to run precisely timed routes.
Good question though. I'd like to know what distinguishes BC's version.
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Redman
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Does this mean that the 2000 Oklahoma Sooners NC team was the best team that John Blake never coached?
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AR Husker Fan
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Just a guess here, based on things I've read, but I don't think the base system is different or that much more difficult. I think it's two things:
1. The terminology is much more complex. And the reason for that is, in part, because...
2. Callahan's version has far more "options" of each base play.
Again, I don't know that for a fact, and I could be waaaaaaay off, but the quarterbacks routinely state that the terminology is mind-blowing and that there are so many options that can happen - both pre- and post-snap.
Lighten up, Frances. God forbid someone has an opinion that's not in line with yours. I can't speak for OPB, but personally, I'm not here to ruin everyone else's hopes. I'm simply stating my opinions, I'm not by any means telling anyone else what to think.
Husker_x
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I'll chime in on a few of these threads. I like the discussion.
1) Complicated Callahan
People, I don't know how anyone can be stupid enough to assume that Callahan's offense is too complicated to run. For starters, we've not had the following: a depth at any position which would allow his offense to run at its full potential, a quarterback who is both high-caliber and can throw the deep ball, opening up an entire new theater of the system, or an offensive line that allows the running game to adequately balance out the passing game against tough opponents. Converting an (arguably) option-based running attack to the WCO is like turning a steel mill into a computer factory. Everything has to be replaced and upgraded. The entire philosophy of the game is altered, which makes virtually any recruiting done before Callahan's appearance useless. Building an offense of his style takes time. I'm not making excuses for the man––I have questioned some of his playcalling in the past––but we need to be realistic. I'm not lowering my expectations. I want Nebraska to sh#t-stomp the Condoms next month. But we need to realize that DEPTH is going to be what rebuilds a dynasty. Zac Taylor, may God bless this great kid, is not enough to prove or disprove Callahan's offensive scheme. We need a Gabbert or, Lord willing, a Keller.
2) Differences
This sort of follows the same idea, but about the jargon and the complication again, I personally see only a benefit. I remember reading on another thread that some guys were bitching about how the motion accomplishes nothing. Are you kidding me? It's at its base an illogical thought. If I'm a linebacker waiting for the ball to be snapped, and all of the sudden the opposing QB starts rattling off what seems to me to be frackin' Portugese, and then five guys surge to the inside or scatter to the outside, it is going to cause CONFUSION. That's the whole point. It doesn't matter if 9/10 times we're flipping to a run play––it pulls DBs out of position, forces a sudden reaction on defense which could potentially lead to mismatches. Strategy is my favorite element of football, and from what I've seen, Nebraska's WCO isn't lacking in brilliance or originality, but simple execution and more basic needs in certain key positions. And speaking again about being predictable by audibling a run, since when has Nebraska cared whether or not our opponents know we're driving it right at them? Anyone know what play gets called on 3rd and 3? Damn, I wish I remembered the name, because it was kind of popular there for about...oh...thirty years.
Anyway, the offense isn't apparently that complicated, as Taylor managed quite well. I could be wrong about this, but I don't remember too many delay of game/procedure penalties. And let's not forget, as the years wear on Callahan will adjust his system. If it truly is too complicated in its raw, professional form, then I imagine he'll take appropriate action to make it more accessible. And as we get younger QBs in with more time to learn it, that will help tremendously.
Here's to September 1st, Callahan's wizardry, and Husker Nation.
:bonez And USC must be razed to the ground :bonez
1) Complicated Callahan
People, I don't know how anyone can be stupid enough to assume that Callahan's offense is too complicated to run. For starters, we've not had the following: a depth at any position which would allow his offense to run at its full potential, a quarterback who is both high-caliber and can throw the deep ball, opening up an entire new theater of the system, or an offensive line that allows the running game to adequately balance out the passing game against tough opponents. Converting an (arguably) option-based running attack to the WCO is like turning a steel mill into a computer factory. Everything has to be replaced and upgraded. The entire philosophy of the game is altered, which makes virtually any recruiting done before Callahan's appearance useless. Building an offense of his style takes time. I'm not making excuses for the man––I have questioned some of his playcalling in the past––but we need to be realistic. I'm not lowering my expectations. I want Nebraska to sh#t-stomp the Condoms next month. But we need to realize that DEPTH is going to be what rebuilds a dynasty. Zac Taylor, may God bless this great kid, is not enough to prove or disprove Callahan's offensive scheme. We need a Gabbert or, Lord willing, a Keller.
2) Differences
This sort of follows the same idea, but about the jargon and the complication again, I personally see only a benefit. I remember reading on another thread that some guys were bitching about how the motion accomplishes nothing. Are you kidding me? It's at its base an illogical thought. If I'm a linebacker waiting for the ball to be snapped, and all of the sudden the opposing QB starts rattling off what seems to me to be frackin' Portugese, and then five guys surge to the inside or scatter to the outside, it is going to cause CONFUSION. That's the whole point. It doesn't matter if 9/10 times we're flipping to a run play––it pulls DBs out of position, forces a sudden reaction on defense which could potentially lead to mismatches. Strategy is my favorite element of football, and from what I've seen, Nebraska's WCO isn't lacking in brilliance or originality, but simple execution and more basic needs in certain key positions. And speaking again about being predictable by audibling a run, since when has Nebraska cared whether or not our opponents know we're driving it right at them? Anyone know what play gets called on 3rd and 3? Damn, I wish I remembered the name, because it was kind of popular there for about...oh...thirty years.
Anyway, the offense isn't apparently that complicated, as Taylor managed quite well. I could be wrong about this, but I don't remember too many delay of game/procedure penalties. And let's not forget, as the years wear on Callahan will adjust his system. If it truly is too complicated in its raw, professional form, then I imagine he'll take appropriate action to make it more accessible. And as we get younger QBs in with more time to learn it, that will help tremendously.
Here's to September 1st, Callahan's wizardry, and Husker Nation.
:bonez And USC must be razed to the ground :bonez
DaveH
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Wow, not really sure where to start with this one.rkhufu7 said:
I haven't heard anyone say that the new WR's and RB you pointed out simply can't learn any of the offense, so I am not sure where you are getting that one. Ross had a pretty good handle on it and he was only here for two years.
That's not why Callahan was fired. There are many many things wrong with the Raiders organization to even begin to point to one reason they have that revolving door at HC spinning at full speed.
Yea, tell Rich Gannon the offense is too complicated. I am sure he would agree with you.
Pre-snap shift's don't telegraph the play, not really sure where you would get that. They are a tool to see if the defense will tip it's hand, try to get mismatches, etc. Does it always work? No. Because it doesn't always work do you pitch it? No. If you pitched every play or procedure that didn't work every time you'd have nothing left!
For example, last year how many different plays did the offense run after shifting to the "bunch" formation? (I wish I could draw something in a post, because I would draw it for you) I remember last year I counted no fewer than 3. What does that mean? The exact opposite of your claim. With as many formations and plays to run out of those formations that are available in this offense, it'd be a damn shame if you could call a play with 100% accuracy.
Callahan doesn't run the defense, so you are kind of barking up the wrong tree there. There are changes on defense this year, but who knows if they will be visible to Joe Blow.
DaveH
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Or it means that they don't want to expend the energy to. Feeling that it will fall on deaf ears.
DaveH
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skersOVRsc
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I means that the post is so rediculous it doesnt warrent a response.............why do you got alot of those?