Carl Pelini

[robsker]

In short, Carl is replaceable, but I do not think that JP is the guy....

What possible rational reason would there be to hire JP? He has never before done the job. Why hire a guy who has never been there when you can hire one who has been there and has performed very well while there? Man... I hope Bo does not make that mistake again and take that risk --- it is not necessary (or, at least, I think it is not necessary).

Hire someone who has been good elsewhere.

 

[VA Husker Fan]

I don't know how most of you guys feel about coaching changes.

But to me, no matter who it is that gets hired, they seem like set backs for the program. In one way, shape or form. Coaching changes are set backs for a program. I believe when you bring a new coach in or promote a coach to a different position, there is a learning curve for not only the coach in that position but the players as well. it's probably easier when its in house stuff, but i don't think we escape this off-season with out making a new hire.

With the high expectations of Husker fans for next year and so on, I just don't see a positive side to coaching changes right now.

But i guess at the end of the day, college football coaching is a business.

Chemistry on the staff and with the players takes some time, but new blood can bring new things that you can add onto what the old coach was doing. New ideas, new techniques, etc. Hopefully he won't throw away things that were working, but has a new approach in fixing what wasn't. Doesn't always work that way, but it can.

 

[Redmusky]

I don't know how most of you guys feel about coaching changes.

But to me, no matter who it is that gets hired, they seem like set backs for the program. In one way, shape or form. Coaching changes are set backs for a program. I believe when you bring a new coach in or promote a coach to a different position, there is a learning curve for not only the coach in that position but the players as well. it's probably easier when its in house stuff, but i don't think we escape this off-season with out making a new hire.

With the high expectations of Husker fans for next year and so on, I just don't see a positive side to coaching changes right now.

It's relative. Some people can come in and knock it out of the park in year one, ie. Bo Pelini in 2003 at Nebraska. Other times it doesn't work out as well when progress/chemistry takes longer than a year or two to see results.

Maybe we will be lucky like Michigan, the change was good for them.

 

[NoKoolAidForME]

So we can all rest easy now, our DC is not going anywhere :sarcasm . Carl Pelini has denied that he was offered a job.

Back to work nothing to see here. Mods feel free to close all the Carl Pelini job related treads.

Link: http://www.omaha.com/article/20111201/NEWS/312019740/-1

 

[huskered17]

Good luck to Carl if, this is going to happen. Mike Stoops would be the right hire. He won't be here over 2 or 3 yrs, and JP could be groomed for the job, during that time. That way he would probably stick around, and would be able to make it a smooth transition. How ever it shakes out, we still have a top D/C in Bo.

GBR!!!

 

[Landomatic]

Man, is it just me or are there an unusually high number of firings in college football this year? Maybe it's a normal amount...I don't know. Hope we can capitalize on it with some big upgrades to our staff. There are at least 3 unemployed coaches out there right now who I'd love to see find a spot on NU's staff. I didn't feel that way last year I can guarantee you. Neither did Bo I'm guessing just by looking at who all he brought in...pretty underwhelming if you ask me. I know I'm dreaming, but if we could figure out a way to get these guys on staff, I'd say open up the purse strings to make it happen...

Stoops - - Defensive genius, the Stoops name, should know the B1G landscape given his roots, Bo's friend

Gill - - Offensive option genius, help with quarterbacks, Nebraska guy - could be his final destination, I'm assuming Bo's friend - definitely TO's friend

Zook - - Recruiting genius, knows the B1G landscape, not sure of his relationship with Bo

I know all of these guys are just coming off head coaching jobs, so the thought of all of them ending up as position coaches is pretty slim...especially at one place. But I doubt any of them is seriously considered for any descent head coaching jobs as they are all coming off of perceived failures at mid-low level head coaching jobs already. And we could get pretty creative with some job titles if we have to...co-coordinators, assistant head coach, associate head coach, etc. Plus two of the 3 have serious ties to the program. I'd take all 3 over any of our current assistants in just about any capacity.

Everyone needs to get off of the "Gill to Nebraska" kick.... It is amusing how so much of us think that because Gill is a Nebraska guy, Bo will/should bring him back. Bo doesn't give a Sh*t if Gill is a Nebraska guy. Bo and Gill aren't friends, never were, and Bo couldn't care less about Nebraska "ties".

Bo is a Nebraska type of guy, but he is not a Nebraska guy....Gill isn't coming to Nebraska, and I'm not so sure he would bring anything to the table.

I could care less if Gill's a Nebraska guy either and I know Bo doesn't. But TO does and last I checked, he signs Bo's paycheck.

As to whether or not Gill would bring anything to the table...are you kidding me? He's not Head Coach at a major program material, he may not even be Coordinator at a major program material, but he brings a lot to the table. He forgot more about option football than most people ever knew. Him being a Nebraska guy, although not a necessity, is definitely not a bad thing. And from everything I've ever heard, he's a hell of a guy and that's never a bad thing either.

 

[HuskerShark]

So we can all rest easy now, our DC is not going anywhere :sarcasm . Carl Pelini has denied that he was offered a job.

Back to work nothing to see here. Mods feel free to close all the Carl Pelini job related treads.

Link: http://www.omaha.com...WS/312019740/-1

While he didn't say that Carl accepted the job, TO did comment on how he recommended him for the job. No doubt in my mind that TO wants Carl gone, so he is working to find him a job elsewhere.

 

[Landomatic]

Man, is it just me or are there an unusually high number of firings in college football this year? Maybe it's a normal amount...I don't know. Hope we can capitalize on it with some big upgrades to our staff. There are at least 3 unemployed coaches out there right now who I'd love to see find a spot on NU's staff. I didn't feel that way last year I can guarantee you. Neither did Bo I'm guessing just by looking at who all he brought in...pretty underwhelming if you ask me. I know I'm dreaming, but if we could figure out a way to get these guys on staff, I'd say open up the purse strings to make it happen...

Stoops - - Defensive genius, the Stoops name, should know the B1G landscape given his roots, Bo's friend

Gill - - Offensive option genius, help with quarterbacks, Nebraska guy - could be his final destination, I'm assuming Bo's friend - definitely TO's friend

Zook - - Recruiting genius, knows the B1G landscape, not sure of his relationship with Bo

I know all of these guys are just coming off head coaching jobs, so the thought of all of them ending up as position coaches is pretty slim...especially at one place. But I doubt any of them is seriously considered for any descent head coaching jobs as they are all coming off of perceived failures at mid-low level head coaching jobs already. And we could get pretty creative with some job titles if we have to...co-coordinators, assistant head coach, associate head coach, etc. Plus two of the 3 have serious ties to the program. I'd take all 3 over any of our current assistants in just about any capacity.

I understand your logic, but all of these guys would be here and gone in 2-3 years off to head coaching again, and we would be right back in the same spot. Bo might not make the glamour hires but these guys are going to do it his way, and they will more then likely be here for a long time, as they will not be sought after like stoops. It may take them a year or two to get everything down completely but once they do, then it could be a good working machine for awhile.

I would like to hire stoops for the "wow" factor with recruits and fans alike, but i just dont see that happening. Bo will want the defense run his way. JP will do that. Bo took over calling the Defense this year again half way through the year, im sure he will do the same with JP learning. Besides JP is a hell of a recruiter and in a couple years when our defense gets back, he will be able to do some damage on the recruiting trail with that title.

Welcome to College Football 2012. Its just a part of the game now-a-days. The days of keeping one staff in tact with very little changes for 10-15-20 years are gone. You're living in the past, man!! (seinfeld)

 

[HuskerShark]

Man, is it just me or are there an unusually high number of firings in college football this year? Maybe it's a normal amount...I don't know. Hope we can capitalize on it with some big upgrades to our staff. There are at least 3 unemployed coaches out there right now who I'd love to see find a spot on NU's staff. I didn't feel that way last year I can guarantee you. Neither did Bo I'm guessing just by looking at who all he brought in...pretty underwhelming if you ask me. I know I'm dreaming, but if we could figure out a way to get these guys on staff, I'd say open up the purse strings to make it happen...

Stoops - - Defensive genius, the Stoops name, should know the B1G landscape given his roots, Bo's friend

Gill - - Offensive option genius, help with quarterbacks, Nebraska guy - could be his final destination, I'm assuming Bo's friend - definitely TO's friend

Zook - - Recruiting genius, knows the B1G landscape, not sure of his relationship with Bo

I know all of these guys are just coming off head coaching jobs, so the thought of all of them ending up as position coaches is pretty slim...especially at one place. But I doubt any of them is seriously considered for any descent head coaching jobs as they are all coming off of perceived failures at mid-low level head coaching jobs already. And we could get pretty creative with some job titles if we have to...co-coordinators, assistant head coach, associate head coach, etc. Plus two of the 3 have serious ties to the program. I'd take all 3 over any of our current assistants in just about any capacity.

I understand your logic, but all of these guys would be here and gone in 2-3 years off to head coaching again, and we would be right back in the same spot. Bo might not make the glamour hires but these guys are going to do it his way, and they will more then likely be here for a long time, as they will not be sought after like stoops. It may take them a year or two to get everything down completely but once they do, then it could be a good working machine for awhile.

I would like to hire stoops for the "wow" factor with recruits and fans alike, but i just dont see that happening. Bo will want the defense run his way. JP will do that. Bo took over calling the Defense this year again half way through the year, im sure he will do the same with JP learning. Besides JP is a hell of a recruiter and in a couple years when our defense gets back, he will be able to do some damage on the recruiting trail with that title.

Welcome to College Football 2012. Its just a part of the game now-a-days. The days of keeping one staff in tact with very little changes for 10-15-20 years are gone. You're living in the past, man!! (seinfeld)

I guess if we wanted to keep our coaches for longer, we could just hire a bunch of no-names... problem is, our record would likely reflect those hires.

 

[robsker]

Man, is it just me or are there an unusually high number of firings in college football this year? Maybe it's a normal amount...I don't know. Hope we can capitalize on it with some big upgrades to our staff. There are at least 3 unemployed coaches out there right now who I'd love to see find a spot on NU's staff. I didn't feel that way last year I can guarantee you. Neither did Bo I'm guessing just by looking at who all he brought in...pretty underwhelming if you ask me. I know I'm dreaming, but if we could figure out a way to get these guys on staff, I'd say open up the purse strings to make it happen...

Stoops - - Defensive genius, the Stoops name, should know the B1G landscape given his roots, Bo's friend

Gill - - Offensive option genius, help with quarterbacks, Nebraska guy - could be his final destination, I'm assuming Bo's friend - definitely TO's friend

Zook - - Recruiting genius, knows the B1G landscape, not sure of his relationship with Bo

I know all of these guys are just coming off head coaching jobs, so the thought of all of them ending up as position coaches is pretty slim...especially at one place. But I doubt any of them is seriously considered for any descent head coaching jobs as they are all coming off of perceived failures at mid-low level head coaching jobs already. And we could get pretty creative with some job titles if we have to...co-coordinators, assistant head coach, associate head coach, etc. Plus two of the 3 have serious ties to the program. I'd take all 3 over any of our current assistants in just about any capacity.

I understand your logic, but all of these guys would be here and gone in 2-3 years off to head coaching again, and we would be right back in the same spot. Bo might not make the glamour hires but these guys are going to do it his way, and they will more then likely be here for a long time, as they will not be sought after like stoops. It may take them a year or two to get everything down completely but once they do, then it could be a good working machine for awhile.

I would like to hire stoops for the "wow" factor with recruits and fans alike, but i just dont see that happening. Bo will want the defense run his way. JP will do that. Bo took over calling the Defense this year again half way through the year, im sure he will do the same with JP learning. Besides JP is a hell of a recruiter and in a couple years when our defense gets back, he will be able to do some damage on the recruiting trail with that title.

Welcome to College Football 2012. Its just a part of the game now-a-days. The days of keeping one staff in tact with very little changes for 10-15-20 years are gone. You're living in the past, man!! (seinfeld)

I guess if we wanted to keep our coaches for longer, we could just hire a bunch of no-names... problem is, our record would likely reflect those hires.

In fact we have... and it does.

 

[da skers]

I don't know how most of you guys feel about coaching changes.

But to me, no matter who it is that gets hired, they seem like set backs for the program. In one way, shape or form. Coaching changes are set backs for a program. I believe when you bring a new coach in or promote a coach to a different position, there is a learning curve for not only the coach in that position but the players as well. it's probably easier when its in house stuff, but i don't think we escape this off-season with out making a new hire.

With the high expectations of Husker fans for next year and so on, I just don't see a positive side to coaching changes right now.

But i guess at the end of the day, college football coaching is a business.

Chemistry on the staff and with the players takes some time, but new blood can bring new things that you can add onto what the old coach was doing. New ideas, new techniques, etc. Hopefully he won't throw away things that were working, but has a new approach in fixing what wasn't. Doesn't always work that way, but it can.

Bo's defense is pretty complex. Raymond struggled learning the safety roles and thus struggled teaching it as completely as he could have had he known it before. Bo started working with him closely after the bye week and you can see they improved considerably. You promote a guy within to keep the learning curve short. You can learn new things from new guys but you want your overall defense to stay the same when it isn't broken.

 

[HuskerShark]

Man, is it just me or are there an unusually high number of firings in college football this year? Maybe it's a normal amount...I don't know. Hope we can capitalize on it with some big upgrades to our staff. There are at least 3 unemployed coaches out there right now who I'd love to see find a spot on NU's staff. I didn't feel that way last year I can guarantee you. Neither did Bo I'm guessing just by looking at who all he brought in...pretty underwhelming if you ask me. I know I'm dreaming, but if we could figure out a way to get these guys on staff, I'd say open up the purse strings to make it happen...

Stoops - - Defensive genius, the Stoops name, should know the B1G landscape given his roots, Bo's friend

Gill - - Offensive option genius, help with quarterbacks, Nebraska guy - could be his final destination, I'm assuming Bo's friend - definitely TO's friend

Zook - - Recruiting genius, knows the B1G landscape, not sure of his relationship with Bo

I know all of these guys are just coming off head coaching jobs, so the thought of all of them ending up as position coaches is pretty slim...especially at one place. But I doubt any of them is seriously considered for any descent head coaching jobs as they are all coming off of perceived failures at mid-low level head coaching jobs already. And we could get pretty creative with some job titles if we have to...co-coordinators, assistant head coach, associate head coach, etc. Plus two of the 3 have serious ties to the program. I'd take all 3 over any of our current assistants in just about any capacity.

I understand your logic, but all of these guys would be here and gone in 2-3 years off to head coaching again, and we would be right back in the same spot. Bo might not make the glamour hires but these guys are going to do it his way, and they will more then likely be here for a long time, as they will not be sought after like stoops. It may take them a year or two to get everything down completely but once they do, then it could be a good working machine for awhile.

I would like to hire stoops for the "wow" factor with recruits and fans alike, but i just dont see that happening. Bo will want the defense run his way. JP will do that. Bo took over calling the Defense this year again half way through the year, im sure he will do the same with JP learning. Besides JP is a hell of a recruiter and in a couple years when our defense gets back, he will be able to do some damage on the recruiting trail with that title.

Welcome to College Football 2012. Its just a part of the game now-a-days. The days of keeping one staff in tact with very little changes for 10-15-20 years are gone. You're living in the past, man!! (seinfeld)

I guess if we wanted to keep our coaches for longer, we could just hire a bunch of no-names... problem is, our record would likely reflect those hires.

In fact we have... and it does.

Oh, come on. We have the possibility of another ten-win season. How many coaches in America are possible of doing that as frequently as Bo and his staff have? Urban Meyer didn't even win 9 games his last year at Florida...

 

[da skers]

Man, is it just me or are there an unusually high number of firings in college football this year? Maybe it's a normal amount...I don't know. Hope we can capitalize on it with some big upgrades to our staff. There are at least 3 unemployed coaches out there right now who I'd love to see find a spot on NU's staff. I didn't feel that way last year I can guarantee you. Neither did Bo I'm guessing just by looking at who all he brought in...pretty underwhelming if you ask me. I know I'm dreaming, but if we could figure out a way to get these guys on staff, I'd say open up the purse strings to make it happen...

Stoops - - Defensive genius, the Stoops name, should know the B1G landscape given his roots, Bo's friend

Gill - - Offensive option genius, help with quarterbacks, Nebraska guy - could be his final destination, I'm assuming Bo's friend - definitely TO's friend

Zook - - Recruiting genius, knows the B1G landscape, not sure of his relationship with Bo

I know all of these guys are just coming off head coaching jobs, so the thought of all of them ending up as position coaches is pretty slim...especially at one place. But I doubt any of them is seriously considered for any descent head coaching jobs as they are all coming off of perceived failures at mid-low level head coaching jobs already. And we could get pretty creative with some job titles if we have to...co-coordinators, assistant head coach, associate head coach, etc. Plus two of the 3 have serious ties to the program. I'd take all 3 over any of our current assistants in just about any capacity.

I understand your logic, but all of these guys would be here and gone in 2-3 years off to head coaching again, and we would be right back in the same spot. Bo might not make the glamour hires but these guys are going to do it his way, and they will more then likely be here for a long time, as they will not be sought after like stoops. It may take them a year or two to get everything down completely but once they do, then it could be a good working machine for awhile.

I would like to hire stoops for the "wow" factor with recruits and fans alike, but i just dont see that happening. Bo will want the defense run his way. JP will do that. Bo took over calling the Defense this year again half way through the year, im sure he will do the same with JP learning. Besides JP is a hell of a recruiter and in a couple years when our defense gets back, he will be able to do some damage on the recruiting trail with that title.

Welcome to College Football 2012. Its just a part of the game now-a-days. The days of keeping one staff in tact with very little changes for 10-15-20 years are gone. You're living in the past, man!! (seinfeld)

I guess if we wanted to keep our coaches for longer, we could just hire a bunch of no-names... problem is, our record would likely reflect those hires.

In fact we have... and it does.

Oddly the two offensive coaches who left had pretty damn good years themselves. After Watson took over play calling they started to win at Louisville and Gilmore's guys did good as well. Ekler probably had the toughest task and among Husker fans he was the more popular of the three.

 

[junior4949]

As time goes on, I think people will eventually relax on their hatred towards Watson. If you take the crucial parts of the offense he had to work with, he didn't have that much to work with here. We're seeing the same kinds of drops from the receivers we saw last year. I thought it was coaching, but the proof is in the pudding. Gilmore wasn't the reason we can't catch the ball.

 

[HANC]

In short, Carl is replaceable, but I do not think that JP is the guy....

What possible rational reason would there be to hire JP? He has never before done the job. Why hire a guy who has never been there when you can hire one who has been there and has performed very well while there? Man... I hope Bo does not make that mistake again and take that risk --- it is not necessary (or, at least, I think it is not necessary).

Hire someone who has been good elsewhere.

As much as I agree with you Robsker..... I can actually see a "little" positive with JP moving up.

First, I was on board early last week saying that when this all goes down, Bo needed to go after a big name DC for recruiting purposes.... I did and do not want a Doug Coleman...... nothing against him, just doesn't give "wow' factor in living rooms around the country.

But, with that said, Nebraska does NOT want to lose JP. He is one (if not the best) recruiters we have. We need him. If Carl or anyone else is "trying" to lure JP away from Nebraska, then promoting him to DC makes sense. No, he hasn't done this before.....but neither had Carl at the college level before coming to Lincoln....ANYONE that thinks that Carl is, was, and would have been the MASTERMIND behind our defensive schemes is fooling themselves. Yes, Carl makes the gameday "calls" (with input) and is the "figure head" on the sideline.....BUT Bo still plays a big part in the schemes and always will. Once a defensive guru, ALWAYS a defensive guru, especially if your butt is on the line...

Bo will run the defense with JP being the figure-head, title only DC... this would give JP a $$$ raise and resume building opportunity. Thus, he would still be here to help recruit (his BEST ASSET)...

Not exactly what I want.... Best case is that JP is happy and will stay regardless and Bo brings in big name ... (proven) DC