Cases of Election Fraud

Archy1221 said:
Is it really always Republicans guilty of election fraud though?  Posts in this very thread make that source a lie.  
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I seem to remember the Heritage Foundation (conservative think tank) putting out numbers a while back that showed out of the ~1500 or so documented cases of voter fraud in the last 15 years, 90+% have been by Republicans. I'll let you decide how you want to define that in relation to the term 'always'.

 
Lorewarn said:
I seem to remember the Heritage Foundation (conservative think tank) putting out numbers a while back that showed out of the ~1500 or so documented cases of voter fraud in the last 15 years, 90+% have been by Republicans. I'll let you decide how you want to define that in relation to the term 'always'.
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Well, always literally means at all times on all occasions. So that’s how I would define it.  
 

In terms of what you are saying about Heritage Foundation, hard to comment without a link to what you are saying.  
 

 
Archy1221 said:
Well, always literally means at all times on all occasions. So that’s how I would define it.  
 

In terms of what you are saying about Heritage Foundation, hard to comment without a link to what you are saying.  
 
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Links (caution- these indicate that widespread and rampant voter fraud is a repubs wet dream. Proceed at your own peril)

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/widespread-election-fraud-claims-by-republicans-dont-match-the-evidence/

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2601GY/

https://thefulcrum.us/electoral-reforms/voter-fraud-3287905

I could not find with a simple google a breakdown by party affiliation who exactly is committing most of the exceedingly rare cases of voter fraud. I have some opinions about it though. I’d start by looking closely at the party that actually believes it is a widespread problem.

 
JJ Husker said:
Links (caution- these indicate that widespread and rampant voter fraud is a repubs wet dream. Proceed at your own peril)

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/widespread-election-fraud-claims-by-republicans-dont-match-the-evidence/

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2601GY/

https://thefulcrum.us/electoral-reforms/voter-fraud-3287905

I could not find with a simple google a breakdown by party affiliation who exactly is committing most of the exceedingly rare cases of voter fraud. I have some opinions about it though. I’d start by looking closely at the party that actually believes it is a widespread problem.
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Thank you.  I will check them out in the near future. 

 
JJ Husker said:
Links (caution- these indicate that widespread and rampant voter fraud is a repubs wet dream. Proceed at your own peril)

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/widespread-election-fraud-claims-by-republicans-dont-match-the-evidence/

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2601GY/

https://thefulcrum.us/electoral-reforms/voter-fraud-3287905

I could not find with a simple google a breakdown by party affiliation who exactly is committing most of the exceedingly rare cases of voter fraud. I have some opinions about it though. I’d start by looking closely at the party that actually believes it is a widespread problem.
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Thanks again for the links.  Got through them this morning.  All three seem to verify what I suspected, that Lorewarn wasn’t accurate with his assessment.  
 

I’ve always felt the biggest area of abusing the voting system was in ballot harvesting and that is near impossible to catch and prosecute.  Just my own thoughts, but if ballots had to be turned into a live person with a one time ballot return per person and a maximum of five ballots per person, voting totals would probably be decreased by a decent amount. 

 
Good read. 
 

I would like someone who thinks ballot harvesting is happening and greatly affecting our elections….how do you think this works?

 
BigRedBuster said:
Good read. 
 

I would like someone who thinks ballot harvesting is happening and greatly affecting our elections….how do you think this works?
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He told you how it works with his Criminal Carl paragraph.   He told you how it’s virtually impossible to catch and convict too.   
 

I’m to the point where ballot harvesting should just be declared legal in every state for every election and may the best ground game in collecting those signed ballots wins the election.  
 

It’s never gonna stop and only the biggest morons get caught doing it.  Let’s make it a level playing field for those that try and play by the rules.  
 

Except for maybe the Presidential election, most people don’t know s#!t about any of the candidates.  Campaigns should forget television ad spending and hire the best most smooth talking individuals and have them go door to door a week after ballots are mailed out and get folks to sign their ballots and turn them over after they were convinced by the smooth talkers to vote for the campaigns candidate.   Unfortunately this is where we are with elections.  

 
Archy1221 said:
He told you how it works with his Criminal Carl paragraph.   He told you how it’s virtually impossible to catch and convict too.   
 

I’m to the point where ballot harvesting should just be declared legal in every state for every election and may the best ground game in collecting those signed ballots wins the election.  
 

It’s never gonna stop and only the biggest morons get caught doing it.  Let’s make it a level playing field for those that try and play by the rules.  
 

Except for maybe the Presidential election, most people don’t know s#!t about any of the candidates.  Campaigns should forget television ad spending and hire the best most smooth talking individuals and have them go door to door a week after ballots are mailed out and get folks to sign their ballots and turn them over after they were convinced by the smooth talkers to vote for the campaigns candidate.   Unfortunately this is where we are with elections.  
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He also explained to you how there's no evidence that it's happening on a large enough scale to make a difference.

So...you think there are people going around and getting 1,000s of ballots (that have not been filled out) from people who just hand them over to a stranger and nobody calls authorities that it's happening.  Nobody reports that some guy showed up at their door asking for their ballot.  The vast majority of people still vote in person.  So, this ballot harvester would need to know who received a mail in ballot for them to go get it from them.

And, your solution is....without evidence that it's happening...that, since you believe it's happening, it should just be made legal everywhere....even though there's no evidence it's happening on a large enough scale to make a difference.

You sound like someone who actually watched 2000 Mules and believed it.

 
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BigRedBuster said:
He also explained to you how there's no evidence that it's happening on a large enough scale to make a difference
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At the exact same time he said you wouldn’t be  able to catch it if it was!!  
 

I know you understand how close AZ was in 2020.  I know for sure that dude does.   1,000 people across the entire state each returning 10 ballots they harvested is 10,000 votes.  Yes it can make a difference.  He’ll check out lower CA 2018 where it became legal and R’s didn’t figure it out.  They got crushed.  

BigRedBuster said:
So...you think there are people going around and getting 1,000s of ballots (that have not been filled out) from people who just hand them over to a stranger and nobody calls authorities that it's happening
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Nope

 
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