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BigRedBuster

BigRedBuster

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Lance Armstrong, Sammy Sosa, ARod, Ray Lewis, Mark McGuire, ...and on and on and on.....

Are we to a point in sports that if someone dominates their sport that we should just basically assume they are doping and cheating?

 
No reason to think Ray Lewis is anything other than a great player at the mercy of a businessman who has used the timming of the situation to promote his products.

T_O_B

 
BigRedBuster said:
Lance Armstrong, Sammy Sosa, ARod, Ray Lewis, Mark McGuire, ...and on and on and on.....

Are we to a point in sports that if someone dominates their sport that we should just basically assume they are doping and cheating?
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But we also have to note that when these guys were all doing what they did, they were not the anomoly. It was "normal". Now it's frowned upon. Now it's labeled as cheating. But is it really "cheating" if it's not legislated against, or enforced?

Just interesting questions I've always had regarding the situation and in the end, I quite frankly dont care.

 
accountability brings up a good point. In the case of Lance Armstrong, other top cyclists he raced against have failed or been accused of doping. Armstrong knew that if he wanted to win, he'd have to cheat, and so he did. That's why I don't really blame him for the actual act of cheating. What I think he has to answer for is the years of lying and ruthless attacks against those who claimed he doped.

And as far as Ray Lewis is concerned, the allegations against him say he knew he was taking the banned substance IGF-1, and I read an ESPN article today that said the NFL currently does not have a specific test for IGF-1.

At this point, where there's smoke, there's fire. Every major doping case I can think of has turned out to be true. There's very little to be gained from people alleging doping against premier athletes, other than to get the truth out there.

 
Enhance89 said:
accountability brings up a good point. In the case of Lance Armstrong, other top cyclists he raced against have failed or been accused of doping. Armstrong knew that if he wanted to win, he'd have to cheat, and so he did. That's why I don't really blame him for the actual act of cheating. What I think he has to answer for is the years of lying and ruthless attacks against those who claimed he doped.

And as far as Ray Lewis is concerned, the allegations against him say he knew he was taking the banned substance IGF-1, and I read an ESPN article today that said the NFL currently does not have a specific test for IGF-1.

At this point, where there's smoke, there's fire. Every major doping case I can think of has turned out to be true. There's very little to be gained from people alleging doping against premier athletes, other than to get the truth out there.
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Cowherd said it best. Adrian Peterson is better today than before surgery. Kobe Bryant is better today than 2 years ago. Ray Lewis, better now after major injury and surgery than this time last year. They dont get that done by doing pullups and workouts. To deny that "things" are being done is just irresponsible. It's an innovative and global world. The sanctioning bodies of athletics will probably never be able to keep up with "enhancement".

 
accountability said:
But we also have to note that when these guys were all doing what they did, they were not the anomoly. It was "normal". Now it's frowned upon. Now it's labeled as cheating. But is it really "cheating" if it's not legislated against, or enforced?

Just interesting questions I've always had regarding the situation and in the end, I quite frankly dont care.
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Agreed; they're interesting questions, and I also find it hard to care.

For me, cycling is a complete joke until they just say that all PEDs are legal. I think it would have to allow the use of drugs that are legal in the countries where the riders are from...which could be tough. But as long as it's not breaking an actual law, who cares?

 
GSG5545 said:
What's up with this deer antler spray? Do you ingest this stuff?
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Not sure what the actual spray itself is but from everything I have heard it contains an HGH alternative. Basically the same thing as HGH but whatever is in the spray is untestable is what I understand. And I would assume you would just spray it on the area needed and rub it into the muscle but i could be wrong on that.

 
Regarding Lance Armstrong and the "level playing field" argument. Lance knew what he was doing was cheating, in the worst kind of way, and he did it anyway. He masterminded a cutting-edge doping scheme because it had to be cutting-edge to bypass what were quite stringent testing regimens. It simply is not an explanation to say that "they were all cheating, so he did too."

Armstrong cheated. The fact that everyone else cheated too doesn't make it any better.

 
knapplc said:
Regarding Lance Armstrong and the "level playing field" argument. Lance knew what he was doing was cheating, in the worst kind of way, and he did it anyway. He masterminded a cutting-edge doping scheme because it had to be cutting-edge to bypass what were quite stringent testing regimens. It simply is not an explanation to say that "they were all cheating, so he did too."

Armstrong cheated. The fact that everyone else cheated too doesn't make it any better.
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My point basically that of why do we choose to villify a select few when it was quite the norm. I'm indifferent to the Armstrong deal. His story was more than his TDF titles. it was the way he treated people. But as far as baseball goes, why to we villify a select few former players from an era when it is clearly suggestive they were not the only ones.

 
I think wrt baseball it's to send a message. Don't cheat or this is how you go down in history.

 
accountability said:
knapplc said:
Regarding Lance Armstrong and the "level playing field" argument. Lance knew what he was doing was cheating, in the worst kind of way, and he did it anyway. He masterminded a cutting-edge doping scheme because it had to be cutting-edge to bypass what were quite stringent testing regimens. It simply is not an explanation to say that "they were all cheating, so he did too."

Armstrong cheated. The fact that everyone else cheated too doesn't make it any better.
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My point basically that of why do we choose to villify a select few when it was quite the norm. I'm indifferent to the Armstrong deal. His story was more than his TDF titles. it was the way he treated people. But as far as baseball goes, why to we villify a select few former players from an era when it is clearly suggestive they were not the only ones.
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Can't argue there.

I'm not giving Lance a pass because I have just literally lost a lot of respect for him on how he has handled the whole thing. But, I have always felt that doping was probably huge in the guys who do the Tour de France.

 
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