Coaching or Talent - which is more responsible

[ColoradoHusk]

I like Riley but I'm starting to think he needs to sever ties with his coaching buddies and hire new ones next year, especially on defense.

I don't see him fire Banker and his buddies after this year, unless NU has a 4 or 5 win season. If the D is an issue for two straight seasons, then Riley should sever ties with his cronies.

 

[HuskerfaninOkieland]

I like Riley but I'm starting to think he needs to sever ties with his coaching buddies and hire new ones next year, especially on defense.

I don't see him fire Banker and his buddies after this year, unless NU has a 4 or 5 win season. If the D is an issue for two straight seasons, then Riley should sever ties with his cronies.

If the defense doesn't improve over the course of the season, especially during Conf play, I'll hope like hell he hires new coord's.

 

[ColoradoHusk]

I like Riley but I'm starting to think he needs to sever ties with his coaching buddies and hire new ones next year, especially on defense.

I don't see him fire Banker and his buddies after this year, unless NU has a 4 or 5 win season. If the D is an issue for two straight seasons, then Riley should sever ties with his cronies.

If the defense doesn't improve over the course of the season, especially during Conf play, I'll hope like hell he hires new coord's.

I agree with you, but maybe Riley will think "hey, we just need to get some better players in there, and my boy's D will improve". That's just a guess on my part.

 

[knapplc]

It seems highly unlikely that Riley is going to fire his buddies. Callahan didn't, Bo didn't, Frank only did after duress was applied. It's not typical.

 

[HuskerfaninOkieland]

I like Riley but I'm starting to think he needs to sever ties with his coaching buddies and hire new ones next year, especially on defense.

I don't see him fire Banker and his buddies after this year, unless NU has a 4 or 5 win season. If the D is an issue for two straight seasons, then Riley should sever ties with his cronies.

If the defense doesn't improve over the course of the season, especially during Conf play, I'll hope like hell he hires new coord's.

I agree with you, but maybe Riley will think "hey, we just need to get some better players in there, and my boy's D will improve". That's just a guess on my part.

I'm not an X's and O's kind of guy, but did the DC throw in some new scheme?

 

[ColoradoHusk]

It seems highly unlikely that Riley is going to fire his buddies. Callahan didn't, Bo didn't, Frank only did after duress was applied. It's not typical.

^^ This. Most coaches want to coach with people they like and people they have worked with in the past.

 

[ColoradoHusk]

I like Riley but I'm starting to think he needs to sever ties with his coaching buddies and hire new ones next year, especially on defense.

I don't see him fire Banker and his buddies after this year, unless NU has a 4 or 5 win season. If the D is an issue for two straight seasons, then Riley should sever ties with his cronies.

If the defense doesn't improve over the course of the season, especially during Conf play, I'll hope like hell he hires new coord's.

I agree with you, but maybe Riley will think "hey, we just need to get some better players in there, and my boy's D will improve". That's just a guess on my part.

I'm not an X's and O's kind of guy, but did the DC throw in some new scheme?

It's a much different scheme than Bo's, but Banker has been running this scheme for years. It's decent against the run, but can get torched by high-octane passing teams.

 

[HuskerfaninOkieland]

It seems highly unlikely that Riley is going to fire his buddies. Callahan didn't, Bo didn't, Frank only did after duress was applied. It's not typical.

And not firing their buddies was the beginning of the end for their careers at Neb.

 

[Blackshirt39]

It's coaching. All day it's coaching. Tommy throws off his back foot and can't make it past his first read.

We had Miami tired, you need to piss pound the run with Cross. Fundamentals aren't there.

This is funny. Yeah, I'm sure the coaches are telling him to throw off his back foot and to not go past his first read. Must be coaching. Lol.

The results don't lie. Neither does the eye test.
Tommy is fighter and warrior. He has heart for miles and I love him for it. However, his decision making and technique isn't there. These coaches either need to establish the run game or change to a QB that can go through progression.

Yeah, didn't y'all know? Darlington definitely would have won the game for us! Just as easy as putting in the 3rd string quarterback.

Because Tommy won it for us? Look the point is, Tommy is not an efficient and reliable option. We have too many good running backs doing nothing. What I saw from Darlington in the spring game is someone who can manage the game and make the throws needed.
Tommy didn't lose the game. I place the blame on the Coaches. But, is Tommy the future or not?

I Don't know. Maybe I'm just venting frustration.

Frankly, Tommy is the only D-1 caliber QB on the roster. O'Brien might be able to push him a bit next year, but that's tough for a true frosh. It will take a big injury for someone other than Tommy to be the starter before 2017.

Yeah and Newcombe was to. How do we know? At sometime you gotta make a change. He was struggling with screen passes for God's sake.

 

[ColoradoHusk]

It's coaching. All day it's coaching. Tommy throws off his back foot and can't make it past his first read.

We had Miami tired, you need to piss pound the run with Cross. Fundamentals aren't there.

This is funny. Yeah, I'm sure the coaches are telling him to throw off his back foot and to not go past his first read. Must be coaching. Lol.

The results don't lie. Neither does the eye test.
Tommy is fighter and warrior. He has heart for miles and I love him for it. However, his decision making and technique isn't there. These coaches either need to establish the run game or change to a QB that can go through progression.

Yeah, didn't y'all know? Darlington definitely would have won the game for us! Just as easy as putting in the 3rd string quarterback.

Because Tommy won it for us? Look the point is, Tommy is not an efficient and reliable option. We have too many good running backs doing nothing. What I saw from Darlington in the spring game is someone who can manage the game and make the throws needed.
Tommy didn't lose the game. I place the blame on the Coaches. But, is Tommy the future or not?

I Don't know. Maybe I'm just venting frustration.

Frankly, Tommy is the only D-1 caliber QB on the roster. O'Brien might be able to push him a bit next year, but that's tough for a true frosh. It will take a big injury for someone other than Tommy to be the starter before 2017.

Yeah and Newcombe was to. How do we know? At sometime you gotta make a change. He was struggling with screen passes for God's sake.

Huh? I'm not following you with the Newcombe reference. Crouch was a pretty highly recruited option QB out of high school. He redshirted in '97 after getting hurt in fall camp.

 

[grandpasknee]

Rather than start a new thread, I'll ask the question here.

The last few years we've seen quite a few late game comebacks, as if the team just doesn't get "up" until they are really under the gun. It's happened twice this year already. Do comebacks like this mean we have talent and ability, but just lack the ability to turn it on at the right times? And if so, maybe in a game or two these boys start to realize..."hey, what if we play like it is the fourth quarter from the beginning..." In other words...is there any chance that the results so far are purely a mental hang over from the last few years...and when the team get fully in tune with the new mentality we start to shine?

 

[knapplc]

It seems highly unlikely that Riley is going to fire his buddies. Callahan didn't, Bo didn't, Frank only did after duress was applied. It's not typical.

And not firing their buddies was the beginning of the end for their careers at Neb.

Callahan's worst defeat, Texas Tech, came five games into his Husker career. Most people, though they loathed the loss and the fashion in which it happened, were willing to give him time to recruit his guys and fully install his scheme. Five games into his career wasn't enough to throw in the towel on the guy - that was the mood of the majority.

I think today, after the Callahan debacle and the Pelini debacle, are just not willing to sit through this again. To an extent you can't blame them, because inept football is hard to watch, and we've been watching it since 2001. We're just not going to see any changes three games into Riley's tenure, or (I'm guessing) even one season into his tenure here. For better, worse or worser, we're stuck with this group for a couple of years, I'm guessing.

 

[HuskerfaninOkieland]

It seems highly unlikely that Riley is going to fire his buddies. Callahan didn't, Bo didn't, Frank only did after duress was applied. It's not typical.

And not firing their buddies was the beginning of the end for their careers at Neb.

Callahan's worst defeat, Texas Tech, came five games into his Husker career. Most people, though they loathed the loss and the fashion in which it happened, were willing to give him time to recruit his guys and fully install his scheme. Five games into his career wasn't enough to throw in the towel on the guy - that was the mood of the majority.

I think today, after the Callahan debacle and the Pelini debacle, are just not willing to sit through this again. To an extent you can't blame them, because inept football is hard to watch, and we've been watching it since 2001. We're just not going to see any changes three games into Riley's tenure, or (I'm guessing) even one season into his tenure here. For better, worse or worser, we're stuck with this group for a couple of years, I'm guessing.

I'm not advocating giving his defensive buddies the can now, but if this defense does not improve this year, I have to believe Riley will be hearing a lot from the fans about him needing to hire new coordinators for the reasons you mentioned.

 

[knapplc]

Totally agree they'll take heat, and they should. No way Daniel Davie just lost all his cover skills in one offseason. He's not as bad as he's showing, and that's a scheme issue, just like Melvin Gordon getting 400 yards wasn't an accurate reflection on Maliek Collins' ability, and was a scheme issue.

 

[HuskerfaninOkieland]

Totally agree they'll take heat, and they should. No way Daniel Davie just lost all his cover skills in one offseason. He's not as bad as he's showing, and that's a scheme issue, just like Melvin Gordon getting 400 yards wasn't an accurate reflection on Maliek Collins' ability, and was a scheme issue.

Did Banker and Co. install a new scheme?