Conference Championship Games are a joke (usually)

Ok. Lets pretend that Oregon and Boise State are in the same conference. Since Boise beat Oregon at the beginning of the year, we should assume that come the end of the year, Boise would not only win again, but would win on a neutral field?

Things change throughout the season, conference championships can mean a lot.
So your philosophy is that games in September don't matter, or matter relatively little compared to later games? I've always believed, especially in football where there aren't very many games per season, that each game should count equally. I believe Boise State's win against Oregon should count just as much as Oregon's win against USC. Otherwise you are completely devaluing non-conference play because of the way most schedules are set up.
I can see what you're saying, but I think it's important to recognize the best teams AT THE END OF THE YEAR. Teams are suppoused to get better as the year goes on and I feel that the ones that do should be rewarded. Trust me, I'll give KSucks props if they, having lost to La-Lafayette, beat Nebraska (who beat La-Lafayette 55-0) for improving throughout the year, but you're right, every game should be important.
I think what you were inadvertently arguing for in your previous post was a playoff system. Case in point: NFL. Losing to a team early in the season can be overcome by performing better in the more important, latter part of the season.

As it is now the conference championship game helps those teams that win it and have done very well during the rest of the season get to the BCS championship. As someone pointed out in an earlier post this was proven to work against the more heavily favored team during the 2003 game of Oklahoma vs Kansas State.

 
"usually" isn't a very good argument? That guy is right you last paragraph makes me very confused.

K-state hasn't won the North yet, thus how can you consider this years Big 12 game "pointless?". Texas isn't undefeated in the regular season "yet".

 
I say scrap em all. I think Florida vs bama would make a fine title game.

Interesting to note though is the changes the games have had both good and bad for teams....

96 we would've gone on to try to win 3 in a row

98 KSU would've played for a title

01 Texas would've played for the title (we did instead :) )

I think it needs to be all or none though. The pac10 and big10 get a pass every year. There's a good possibility Ohio state wouldn't have been getting their butts kicked those 2 years...

 
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Those are called hypotheticals. Please read my entire initial post. It all fits together. Conference championship game should be held on a contingent basis. I detailed the conditions under which they would be necessary. I am not predicting KSU to win the North or Texas to go 8-0 (although I think the latter is likely). I was simply giving possible examples. If Texas loses two games in the remaining schedule and Nebraska or KSU finished 5-3 or 6-2, then there is reason to hold the championship game. However, if one division champ is separated by two or more games, the championship game doesn't prove anything. It is a meaningless game played for money. I am only repeating myself here. This is all in the initial post.

Now, if you hold a different philosophy and believe the later a game is played, the more value it holds in crowning a champion, then you can disregard my argument. I hold that every game should be looked at as equal, that is the assumption and I see nothing in the NCAA literature that would make me change my mind on that.

If it makes it easier for you, throw out the names. Imagine Team A is 8-0 in conference and Team B is 4-4 in conference. However, Team B still managed to win its division. Team A plays Team B the final game of the season and Team B pulls the upset. The final conference records are: Team A 8-1, Team B 5-4. Who is the most deserving team to be crowned as the champion? Well, to me it's obvious. Despite the loss, Team A's record is far superior. They have the better conference resume and have performed better and more consistently over the course of the season. The entire season matters, not just the final game (this is where the Minnesota-Iowa example comes up... these two actually play this year in the final game, and if Minny blows them out, I don't think many will argue that Minny should be Big 10 champs since they played the best at the end of the season).

 
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Would you feel differently if the conference was re-divided to make the north and south more equal?

I always thought conference championships were rotten because the Pac 10 and Big 10 don't have to deal with it, while the SEC and Big 12 beat each other up. It would be more fair if every conference had a championship.

 
So in college basketball if lets say UNC and Duke play for the national title and UNC is 32-0 and Duke is 25-7, and duke beats UNC, is UNC still the champion if they have the best record in all of college?

 
I always thought conference championships were rotten because the Pac 10 and Big 10 don't have to deal with it, while the SEC and Big 12 beat each other up. It would be more fair if every conference had a championship.
As it stands now not having a CCG hurts both those conferences. They have a longer layoff before their bowl game and it gives a dominating team one more chance to jump them in the polls. Fair has less to do with it than those 2 conferences not competing on the same level as the others.

 
So in college basketball if lets say UNC and Duke play for the national title and UNC is 32-0 and Duke is 25-7, and duke beats UNC, is UNC still the champion if they have the best record in all of college?
Since this argument is outside the bounds of what is done in FBS now and the title game question is not, this really isn't applicable at all.

 
So in college basketball if lets say UNC and Duke play for the national title and UNC is 32-0 and Duke is 25-7, and duke beats UNC, is UNC still the champion if they have the best record in all of college?
In college basketball, the emphasis is on qualifying for the tourney, and the majority of the value lies in the tourney games. The tourney is essentially it's own sub-season, with the point of the regular season being to simply qualify for the tourney, when the most important work is to be done. This is the reason why most casual basketball fans pay very little attention to the regular season. That's one thing I've always liked about college football, each game during the season is extremely important and full of value in the championship race.

 
I understand what you are trying to say...

But think like this...

What if the South were all terrible, and the North was Dominant this year... the records are the same in my scenario. Texas should be the undisputed champion?? I didn't think so.

 
I understand what you are trying to say...But think like this...

What if the South were all terrible, and the North was Dominant this year... the records are the same in my scenario. Texas should be the undisputed champion?? I didn't think so.
I think, by virtue of the teams being dominant, your scenario doesn't work.

 
.... How does that not make sense?

Hypothetically

The North = More competitive = they beat the sh#t out of each other = 6 very competitive games....

The South = All are down, Texas has to play 3 of the lower Big 12 North and pulls out undefeated. They are the champions right?? No.

It makes sense. You cant just do this. This year yes it seems obvious, and if it is that obvious they should win the Championship game. There are too many scenarios when your team will be on the other side of the ball and you feel like you are getting screwed.

 
I understand your point but it would never be like that in reality.

 
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A contingent game doesn't work in football IMO. Too big an event to just say "well we might have it some years, we'll let you all know at season's end."

Not like baseball where nobody cares anyway and there are a billion games in a season, so what's an extra tiebreaker game if you need one. It is frustrating other leagues don't need to deal with it, but that's life and you can't force conferences to do something like this.

 
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