Could this be Bo's TO moment?

[Junior]

If the line isn't protecting well, Martinez panics (and fumbles when blindsided....). When he sees the defense playing their "ole package" he presses. It really is as simple as that.

 

[Danny Bateman]

38 points should be enough to win. But these type of games are about momentum. We should know that as well as anyone. We turned the tide on them last year and in a similar span came back and won the game. South Carolina flipped it on us and dominated from there on. Michigan did the same thing after a fumble to start the half. Wisconsin last year. Oklahoma in the championship game. It's about momentum. We are not capable of turning it when we're on the road. And we seem completely incapable of maintaining it when we have it. Becks' "fast, faster, and as fast as we can go until we're completely out of control" offense might put up gaudy numbers against 70+ ranked defenses, but there's a point when you're on the road in a big game that you have to adjust the tempo for the situation. OSU turned the tide on this year and dominated us from there on out. All you people defending Taylor to the end (and I certainly am not saying he's the only issue) need to look at when/what changed that momentum. It wasn't the defense. I'll give you a hint, the 'when' is with 10:45 minutes left in the half, and the 'what' was an interception. And it continued throughout the game peaking at the end of the 3rd quarter.

This. I couldn't have said it better myself.

While the OL didn't block the best and the defense was garbage, like it or not your whole team leans on your QB. It is the most important position in football for a reason. And when Taylor continues to churn out turnover after turnover in our biggest games, it sucks the wind right out of what the rest of the team is trying to do.

That's why there is some weight to the "bench Martinez" camp and it is not just the usual butthurt fans clamoring for the backup after a loss.

 

[BIGREDIOWAN]

Sometimes I really shake my head in how people can blame Martinez for our problems.........................WE HAVE NO DEFENSE! Plain and simple, the offense scored enough points that we should've won, but we couldn't because our defense is terrible. Yes Martinez threw some INT's that turned into points, yes he fumbled the ball, but he continued to push towards the endzone and take some serious shots while doing so. Quit blaming Martinez and asking for a completely inexperienced freshman to come in to "save" this team and get "meaningful" snaps halfway through the season. That's insane...........

 

[HuskerShark]

These conversations are so stupid.... There are only 2 reasons the we should possibly even think about benching Taylor:

1) If Tommy Armstrong looks like a freaking stallion in practice and could start for any NFL team.

OR

2) If Taylor could be switched to defense and turn our D into Bama's D.

 

[zoogs]

^ That's a hell of a lot of job security for a guy who turned the ball over four times in again, what's long been a pattern of being prone to mistakes and loose with ball security.

 

[HuskerShark]

^ That's a hell of a lot of job security for a guy who turned the ball over four times in again, what's long been a pattern of being prone to mistakes and loose with ball security.

That's pretty much how every position works on every team in the nation, Zoogs. If your starting QB gives you the best chance of winning, you stick with him. Yeah, he had a bad game. He's not the first quality QB to do so. Go look up and see if Tom Brady or Peyton Manning have ever turned the ball over 4 times in a game. I guarantee both have. Should they get benched?

NO! You have to look at the performance of your QB (and all of your players) over the long term to make these decisions. If every coach were to bench their QB after one bad game, it would be an ugly scene.

How about we focus on the defense stopping people on a consistent basis. That's the glaring issue, and yet all people want to talk about is Taylor Martinez...

 

[zoogs]

That's not quite what you said. You said his backup had to be able to start for any NFL team

What's going to be called into question the next few weeks is if Taylor does give us the best chance of winning over any of our other QBs, both in the short and long-term. He may be a veteran starter, but the number of rookie mistakes he makes is really troubling. Make no mistake, it should be prove-it time for Taylor, which can go in either direction.

I'm not calling for his benching, but I can't really get on board with the "There's nothing wrong, Taylor has NOTHING to worry about" camp, not after this latest debacle.

And also, let Pap, Els, Raymond, Kaz, and Bo worry about the defense. That they have work to do on that side of the ball doesn't mean the offensive coaches just sit around and coast.

 

[HuskerNationNick]

Its because Taylor is an easy escape goat. When we win, he is godly like, but if we lose, he needs to burn his jersey. Never changes lol. Not saying all think like this, but most do.

 

[Army_Allen]

That's not quite what you said. You said his backup had to be able to start for any NFL team

What's going to be called into question the next few weeks is if Taylor does give us the best chance of winning over any of our other QBs, both in the short and long-term. He may be a veteran starter, but the number of rookie mistakes he makes is really troubling. Make no mistake, it should be prove-it time for Taylor, which can go in either direction.

I'm not calling for his benching, but I can't really get on board with the "There's nothing wrong, Taylor has NOTHING to worry about" camp, not after this latest debacle.

And also, let Pap, Els, Raymond, Kaz, and Bo worry about the defense. That they have work to do on that side of the ball doesn't mean the offensive coaches just sit around and coast.

I think us Tmart "supporters" are seen as just straight up sunshine pumpers... I think everyone can agree that Taylor DOES have stuff to work on. We just see there are more pressing issues right now that are causing us to lose rather than it being primarily Taylor and the other things second tier issues. Out of the 4 TO's Taylor had, only about two were problems with him passing. the pick 6 was inexcusable.

The last pick he threw, also inexcusable.

But the fumble was just one of who knows how many times he was lit up from his blind side and Kenny just ran the wrong way on that other pick which I guess could be blamed on either player. That O-line was about as holy as my church boxers. A-Rod bit inside so many times it was unreal and Qvale just couldnt stop anyone. AT ALL. Taylor was running for his life all day, and it's not fair to blame all those miscues on him just as it isn't fair to say he had no part. But I can tell you that even Peyton Manning woulda gotten sacked more than Taylor did, and thats what Taylor gives us.

 

[Saunders]

I didn't realize Martinez was the reason we allowed 63 points and 8+ yards per play.

he didn't allow 63 points but then again neither did the defense.

EDIT: Ah, I see you changed that.. good idea.

but even to your point about 6 straight TD drive.. yes, he was part of that problem. Since he threw int's and or fumbles that caused the D to be under the gun more than it should have been.

Here, let me point something out for you since you're trying to ignore it.

8+ yards per play.

Keep your stupid witch hunt going though.

lol, I can do that too..

T-Mart is one of those "other" issues though..

but keep your stupid head in the sand.

Now, see how silly that is? How about acting like an adult.

You take away every turnover TM had, and we still lose the game because we couldn't stop them, at all. You're complaining about a scratch when the victim had his limbs blown off. Technically, yes, the scratch is a problem. But why don't you address the massive trauma first?

Also... Act like an adult? Is that how you respond when your (bad) argument gets blown out of the water? Play the "mature" card?

lol

gtfo with that crap.

 

[Saunders]

... begin the Armstrong era now than see more of Taylor choking in big games....

I would rather end the year in a losing season than burn Armstrong's red shirt. Just my opinion. The best option for us, is to let him observe and learn. It will be more valuable than throwing him in young and expecting big things out of him.

Why? Find out what you have in Armstrong NOW. We can't wait, or we'll be having the same conversation when Armstrong is a junior and there is some other QB recruit behind him. We want to be able to say he has playing experience and is a known commodity. Riding behind the junior signal caller here will only set up Armstrong to ride the pine all year next year and enter the frey in 2014 as a completely unproven redshirt sophomore.

A freshman Tommy Armstrong isn't going to fix the defense.

 

[Saunders]

That's not quite what you said. You said his backup had to be able to start for any NFL team

What's going to be called into question the next few weeks is if Taylor does give us the best chance of winning over any of our other QBs, both in the short and long-term. He may be a veteran starter, but the number of rookie mistakes he makes is really troubling. Make no mistake, it should be prove-it time for Taylor, which can go in either direction.

I'm not calling for his benching, but I can't really get on board with the "There's nothing wrong, Taylor has NOTHING to worry about" camp, not after this latest debacle.

And also, let Pap, Els, Raymond, Kaz, and Bo worry about the defense. That they have work to do on that side of the ball doesn't mean the offensive coaches just sit around and coast.

Who on this board is in that camp? Just curios, because I see this group referenced alot, but I never see them.

 

[Count 'Bility]

I remember when Jamal Lord was doing all he could, and people thought Joe Daily should come in and save the program. I also remember in '96, people wanted Matt Turman to replace Scott Frost. That concept is laughable now. I remember 3 years ago when Cody Green was going to lead us to the promised land. It's just the idea that the backup qb is the most popular player on the team. Taylor could 30/40 for 350, 4 tds, rush for 150 and 2 scores, throw one pick in a win over a top ten team and people would still want the man benched.

 

[zoogs]

saunders, I mean everyone who, on the heels of this performance, say that Taylor is absolutely not the problem. Or that his backups need to be NFL-starting-quality in order for us to even think about questioning Taylor's job security.

His job security is not untouchable at this point. It shouldn't be. I'm not saying bench him, again, but I think it's been counter-argued quite a bit that talk about Taylor's job ought to be off limits. Why? No player on this team should have a job that is off limits right now. The best ones, they'll earn it back. Taylor can, too. Can.

 

[Saunders]

saunders, I mean everyone who, on the heels of this performance, say that Taylor is absolutely not the problem. Or that his backups need to be NFL-starting-quality in order for us to even think about questioning Taylor's job security.

His job security is not untouchable at this point. It shouldn't be. I'm not saying bench him, again, but I think it's been counter-argued quite a bit that talk about Taylor's job ought to be off limits. Why? No player on this team should have a job that is off limits right now. The best ones, they'll earn it back. Taylor can, too. Can.

ok, I can agree with that. But I don't like doing that with Armstrong. We did it with Green, and it didn't work.