Dan Wetzel's Yahoo column....

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junior, Gill was head coach at Buffalo!

Pelini was a coordinator for many years at the highest levels of Div-I competition.

 

[junior4949]

I don't care if he was head coach at Chadron State College. The fact of the matter is he was a head coach with all the responsibilities that come with that job for two years while Bo was an interim for one friggin game. Where he coached has no bearing. The head coach is responsible for several things coordinators and assistants are not. Experience for experience, Gill had been there done that while Bo had not. To me, this means Gill's resume was stronger for a head coaching position than Bo's. However, football coaching is just like any other job in that just because you have the better resume doesn't mean you'll get the job because the company maybe looking for something different than what you have to offer. This is what happened. We needed defense, not offense. Gill had offense to offer. We went another direction. Like I said, I'm glad TO gave the job to Bo over Gill but Gill still had the best resume with regards to a Head Coaching position.

 

[tattooedhusker]

junior, I think some are thinking you wanted Gill over Bo, which isn't the case, you've stated numerous times to have the opposite sentiments.

He's just pointing out his honest opinion

 

[zE bOp]

Wetzel seems to be all peeved about there not being many black HCs in college football, then seems to be saying that Auburn hiring Gill would help out with that. But Gill's already a HC, so not so much there, Dan. And to even suggest that Turner got a raw deal during the Neb hiring process demonstrates nothing but ignorance. I've read enough FireJoeMorgan.com to realize that sports writers can just write whatever they want without having to worry about little things like fact checking, but it still pi$$es me off when they do it.

Times like these make me wish we had a big middle finger clickable smiley on here...

EDIT: only admin have the middle finger powers rawhide

Well, the whole subject of the lack of black HCs in the NCAA has come up again the last few weeks. I forget exactly what tipped it off this time, but the losses of 3 guys--Wellingham, Croom, and another guy(?)--has been a focus of discussion.

So, since it's a hot topic again, everybody's writing about it whether they have their facts straight or not.

I'm not saying it isn't a valid topic, just that it's hot again right now.

You're thinking of Grimace from KSUcks

Oh yea, how could I forget him?!

 

[huskerswrkhavoc]

I don't care if he was head coach at Chadron State College. The fact of the matter is he was a head coach with all the responsibilities that come with that job for two years while Bo was an interim for one friggin game. Where he coached has no bearing. The head coach is responsible for several things coordinators and assistants are not. Experience for experience, Gill had been there done that while Bo had not. To me, this means Gill's resume was stronger for a head coaching position than Bo's. However, football coaching is just like any other job in that just because you have the better resume doesn't mean you'll get the job because the company maybe looking for something different than what you have to offer. This is what happened. We needed defense, not offense. Gill had offense to offer. We went another direction. Like I said, I'm glad TO gave the job to Bo over Gill but Gill still had the best resume with regards to a Head Coaching position.

A resume is made up of more than just "i was a HC here and did this"... It looks into all sorts of things... If it wasn't we'd never have any new coaches coming up. When mack brown retired from texas, should they look elsewhere other than muschamp? No, he's a helluva DC and named their "coach in waiting." Hmmm... funny, a DC? No way? Pelini was a top notch DC and proved he can do great thing with defenses. I think our situation obviously left us in dire need for a defensive overhaul. That is what Pelini could offer. Gill may have had the "head coach experience" at Buffalo, and known what that's like... but only for 2 years more than Bo's 0. That's not that big of a deal. To be honest, even without being in a need for a complete defense overhaul, Bo still may have been the best choice.

Plain and simple. For our job, the best resume WAS Bo's. Our job keyed on defense. I think it's hard to say that somebody that has a lot of proven experience turning around defense has a worse resume than someone who has ties to the program and TO. Sure, Gill has more experience at HC, but no, his resume was NOT better than Bo's.

Look at it this way. A resume is going to look completely different to jiffy lube than it is going to look to wells fargo. Kinda the situation we were in.

 

[zE bOp]

It was a puzzling snub, Nebraska’s defense being that Gill hadn’t turned the corner at UB. He has now, but the Nebraska decision haunts him because according to the Birmingham News, Auburn is whispering that if Gill was so great, why didn’t his alma mater hire him?

Those Alabama fruit loops can not be trying to lay even PART of their lame a$$ hire at our feet, can they?

If he was so great why didn't we hire him? Because we had a competent AD, who looked past personall connections to find the best fit for the university. Not the boosters! I hope Auburn doesn't win a conference game in the next decade. Serves them right!

P.S. The poster who said that Buffallo's win against Ball was "flukey". Did you see that game? If they had won by 3 you might have an argument. But not when they won by 18! Give the guys some credit, they earned that win.

Yea, flukey, I watched the game. Ball was going for the go ahead score in the 3rd qtr and Davis fumbles backwards on the 1 yd line and the Buff guy takes it about 92 yds to the house. On the next series or so Davis mishandles the snap, the ball is kicked backward and the Buff guy picks it up and takes it about 75 yds to the house again.

Then I think there was another turnover resulting in a late score. Roughly 17 points off of crazy TOs. 5 TOs in all for Ball: 4 fumbles and 1 INT. Ttl yds: Ball 503/Buff 301. First downs: Ball 30/Buff 18. TOP: Ball 34 min/Buff 26 min. Those type of stats normally suggest a team pretty much beat itself.

Davis was not sharp from the get go and Ball looked rather flat in general. I'm not saying that Buff didn't play hard and deserve the win, but had Davis not been under the weather, Ball would win that game at least 5 outta 7 times.

Buff lost to both WMU and CMU who Ball beat. If Buff was not in the division that didn't include WMU or CMU, they wouldn't have been in the CCG in the 1st place.

I'm just saying that the win has been somewhat blown outta proportion as has Buffalo's success this year. Buffalo will have a hard time repeating the same success next year, IMO, since they lose their starting QB.

Gill has done great and I love the guy, but nobody is a 'savior' and Big Red fans are biased toward him; so let's just keep it real.

 

[huskerswrkhavoc]

Buff lost to both WMU and CMU who Ball beat. If Buff was not in the division that didn't include WMU or CMU, they wouldn't have been in the CCG in the 1st place.

Don't even begin to start that argument. This is college FOOTBALL. Not basketball......

 

[zE bOp]

Buff lost to both WMU and CMU who Ball beat. If Buff was not in the division that didn't include WMU or CMU, they wouldn't have been in the CCG in the 1st place.

Don't even begin to start that argument. This is college FOOTBALL. Not basketball......

Well, the Mac is like the Big 12, Buff being in the weaker East division, just like Mizzou was the representative from the weaker division--the North-- when they would probably be the 4-5th best team in the South.

CMU was 8-4 and WMU 9-3 at season's end whereas Buff was 7-5 going into the CCG. Buffalo would probably be the 4th best team in the western div. of the MAC.

So what this means is that CCGs can have dubious value at times. If you took the BEST teams from the respective conferences it would have been Ball ST/WMU in the MAC and OU/TX/or TT in the Big 12 for the CCGs.

Buff fought hard to get the W, but for the reasons I stated in the above post, the win was FLUKEY! Like BSU beating OU a few yrs back, same thing.

 

[melscott62]

I don't care if he was head coach at Chadron State College. The fact of the matter is he was a head coach with all the responsibilities that come with that job for two years while Bo was an interim for one friggin game. Where he coached has no bearing. The head coach is responsible for several things coordinators and assistants are not. Experience for experience, Gill had been there done that while Bo had not. To me, this means Gill's resume was stronger for a head coaching position than Bo's. However, football coaching is just like any other job in that just because you have the better resume doesn't mean you'll get the job because the company maybe looking for something different than what you have to offer. This is what happened. We needed defense, not offense. Gill had offense to offer. We went another direction. Like I said, I'm glad TO gave the job to Bo over Gill but Gill still had the best resume with regards to a Head Coaching position.

I totally disagree.

 

[junior4949]

junior, I think some are thinking you wanted Gill over Bo, which isn't the case, you've stated numerous times to have the opposite sentiments.

He's just pointing out his honest opinion

Yeah, there's no doubt about it. I didn't want Gill, and I still don't want Gill. I was simply pointing out that the author did have some merit when he said Gill had a better resume.

I don't care if he was head coach at Chadron State College. The fact of the matter is he was a head coach with all the responsibilities that come with that job for two years while Bo was an interim for one friggin game. Where he coached has no bearing. The head coach is responsible for several things coordinators and assistants are not. Experience for experience, Gill had been there done that while Bo had not. To me, this means Gill's resume was stronger for a head coaching position than Bo's. However, football coaching is just like any other job in that just because you have the better resume doesn't mean you'll get the job because the company maybe looking for something different than what you have to offer. This is what happened. We needed defense, not offense. Gill had offense to offer. We went another direction. Like I said, I'm glad TO gave the job to Bo over Gill but Gill still had the best resume with regards to a Head Coaching position.

A resume is made up of more than just "i was a HC here and did this"... It looks into all sorts of things... If it wasn't we'd never have any new coaches coming up. When mack brown retired from texas, should they look elsewhere other than muschamp? No, he's a helluva DC and named their "coach in waiting." Hmmm... funny, a DC? No way? Pelini was a top notch DC and proved he can do great thing with defenses. I think our situation obviously left us in dire need for a defensive overhaul. That is what Pelini could offer. Gill may have had the "head coach experience" at Buffalo, and known what that's like... but only for 2 years more than Bo's 0. That's not that big of a deal. To be honest, even without being in a need for a complete defense overhaul, Bo still may have been the best choice.

Plain and simple. For our job, the best resume WAS Bo's. Our job keyed on defense. I think it's hard to say that somebody that has a lot of proven experience turning around defense has a worse resume than someone who has ties to the program and TO. Sure, Gill has more experience at HC, but no, his resume was NOT better than Bo's.

Look at it this way. A resume is going to look completely different to jiffy lube than it is going to look to wells fargo. Kinda the situation we were in.

Interesting you bring up Muschamp and Texas considering where their D ended up ranking by season's end. In a year or two, it's conceivable that many fans praying they look elsewhere. Look at Wisconsin for instance. They promote their D coordinator, and he completely stunk up the place this year. If he has another year like this year, he's probably toast. So taking a coordinator whether it be D or O coordinator and making them HC, it doesn't always work well.

Who's D did Pelini turn around exactly? I realize he turned our D around in 03', but let's get one thing straight: OU has for the most part always had a good/great D ever since Stoops has been there. Pelini didn't turn squat around at OU. It's not like he exactly reinvented the wheel at LSU either taking over for who? Muschamp?

Look at it like this. Bo turned one defense around in one season. It's been well noted though the caliber of athletes he coached on that D with like 5-7 of them starting in the NFL now. He didn't turn jack around at LSU or OU because they already had very good D's when he got there. Gill turned around an entire program, not just a D but hey why would turning around an entire program look better on a resume than turning around a defense?

I don't care if he was head coach at Chadron State College. The fact of the matter is he was a head coach with all the responsibilities that come with that job for two years while Bo was an interim for one friggin game. Where he coached has no bearing. The head coach is responsible for several things coordinators and assistants are not. Experience for experience, Gill had been there done that while Bo had not. To me, this means Gill's resume was stronger for a head coaching position than Bo's. However, football coaching is just like any other job in that just because you have the better resume doesn't mean you'll get the job because the company maybe looking for something different than what you have to offer. This is what happened. We needed defense, not offense. Gill had offense to offer. We went another direction. Like I said, I'm glad TO gave the job to Bo over Gill but Gill still had the best resume with regards to a Head Coaching position.

I totally disagree.

And, I bet several/most Ohio State fans would totally disagree with you as well.

 

[mmmtodd]

I don't care if he was head coach at Chadron State College. The fact of the matter is he was a head coach with all the responsibilities that come with that job for two years while Bo was an interim for one friggin game. Where he coached has no bearing. The head coach is responsible for several things coordinators and assistants are not. Experience for experience, Gill had been there done that while Bo had not. To me, this means Gill's resume was stronger for a head coaching position than Bo's. However, football coaching is just like any other job in that just because you have the better resume doesn't mean you'll get the job because the company maybe looking for something different than what you have to offer. This is what happened. We needed defense, not offense. Gill had offense to offer. We went another direction. Like I said, I'm glad TO gave the job to Bo over Gill but Gill still had the best resume with regards to a Head Coaching position.

I totally disagree.

i totally agree with your disagreement. say youre on the board of Acme Electronics Supercompany, and your trying to hire a new CEO. you go with Bob Smith of Ma and Pa Smiths' Appliance whos been the CEO of their 2 locations for 18 years, or do you take Joe Cool whos a vice president at Best Buy? who is the better candidate to run your multinational electronics ubercompany? who would be more experienced with what youre trying to do and have a better grasp of what it takes to be the top dog?

 

[zE bOp]

I don't care if he was head coach at Chadron State College. The fact of the matter is he was a head coach with all the responsibilities that come with that job for two years while Bo was an interim for one friggin game. Where he coached has no bearing. The head coach is responsible for several things coordinators and assistants are not. Experience for experience, Gill had been there done that while Bo had not. To me, this means Gill's resume was stronger for a head coaching position than Bo's. However, football coaching is just like any other job in that just because you have the better resume doesn't mean you'll get the job because the company maybe looking for something different than what you have to offer. This is what happened. We needed defense, not offense. Gill had offense to offer. We went another direction. Like I said, I'm glad TO gave the job to Bo over Gill but Gill still had the best resume with regards to a Head Coaching position.

I totally disagree.

i totally agree with your disagreement. say youre on the board of Acme Electronics Supercompany, and your trying to hire a new CEO. you go with Bob Smith of Ma and Pa Smiths' Appliance whos been the CEO of their 2 locations for 18 years, or do you take Joe Cool whos a vice president at Best Buy? who is the better candidate to run your multinational electronics ubercompany? who would be more experienced with what youre trying to do and have a better grasp of what it takes to be the top dog?

Well, I wouldn't take the guy from 'Circuit City', I know that much!

 

[Blackshirtsguru]

He's writing a column for Yahoo for God Sakes! The last time I checked, I don't think Yahoo is known for their spectacular sports journalism.

 

[zE bOp]

He's writing a column for Yahoo for God Sakes! The last time I checked, I don't think Yahoo is known for their spectacular sports journalism.

Probably was in the personals section...

 

[walksalone]

I don't care if he was head coach at Chadron State College. The fact of the matter is he was a head coach with all the responsibilities that come with that job for two years while Bo was an interim for one friggin game. Where he coached has no bearing. The head coach is responsible for several things coordinators and assistants are not. Experience for experience, Gill had been there done that while Bo had not. To me, this means Gill's resume was stronger for a head coaching position than Bo's. However, football coaching is just like any other job in that just because you have the better resume doesn't mean you'll get the job because the company maybe looking for something different than what you have to offer. This is what happened. We needed defense, not offense. Gill had offense to offer. We went another direction. Like I said, I'm glad TO gave the job to Bo over Gill but Gill still had the best resume with regards to a Head Coaching position.

So, if Nebraska hired a Texas High School coach, then that wouldn't make any difference to you, because where he's coached, has no bearing?

That's a ridiculous statement within itself. First of all, Buffalo just went D-1 12 years ago, and because of what Gill's done, his accomplishments are impressive. That being said, it's a much lower tier program than those in the "power conferences". He doesn't have the pressure of teams that play in the SEC or Big 12.

Now, how Gill's resume is better than Bo's is mind boggling. Are you trying to tell me that a coach in the MAC has more pressure or responsibilities than a D Coordinator in the Big 12 or the SEC?

Not too mention, look at LSU's defense now that Bo isn't there. I know they've lost a lot, but they were supposed to have one of the better front 4's in D-1.

If someone told you you could have a coach that has been a D coordinator on two national title teams, or a coach that is attempting to build a program, who are you going to take?