Defensive Adjustments 10 Personnel- Zone Read

Mavric said:
^ Agree that it was a give all the way as the tackle blocked out. Also, we might have screwed up our assignments as PJ Smith was outside but Compton also ran outside. Compton should have been able to stay inside with an extra defender outside.
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I see the linebacker movement you are talking about. My only question would be is that they did threaten us with the option. It was obviously PJ's job to get to the outside, but was it also Compton's job as well???? They both bit hard on the fake from the QB to the outside so I am sure that they weren't suppose to do that at least.

Regardless, I really think you can attribute this (in Bo's defense) to one of our DTs not getting doubled. That center was able to take our backside linebacker out of the play completely which ultimately sprung him free.

 
Sorry if I missed it in this thread already, but, could someone please explain the "spinner" and "lever-spill-lever" technique that is discussed in various places?

Thanks in advance.

 
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EZ-E said:
Mavric said:
^ Agree that it was a give all the way as the tackle blocked out. Also, we might have screwed up our assignments as PJ Smith was outside but Compton also ran outside. Compton should have been able to stay inside with an extra defender outside.
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I see the linebacker movement you are talking about. My only question would be is that they did threaten us with the option. It was obviously PJ's job to get to the outside, but was it also Compton's job as well???? They both bit hard on the fake from the QB to the outside so I am sure that they weren't suppose to do that at least.

Regardless, I really think you can attribute this (in Bo's defense) to one of our DTs not getting doubled. That center was able to take our backside linebacker out of the play completely which ultimately sprung him free.
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I don't know either. It looked to me like it was probably Compton's assignment in the base call but perhaps it should have changed with Smith coming up. Looks to me if Compton stays home, the inside play doesn't go anywhere and we have a good chance to shut it down if it went outside as well but I'm not sure what the assignments were supposed to be.

 
BigRedBuster said:
EZ-E said:
http://brophyfootbal...ont_15.html?m=1

There is a lot of football talk in this blog and I had to look up a ton while I read this the first time. But it all comes together. But this is the blog you can find all of it on.
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Boy....now my head is spinning just trying to comprehend everything on that site. I'm guessing that is what they mean by "spinner"?
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Yup. We used it for the first time in a long time last week on that 3rd down play. But the "spinner" puts a ton of pressure on your safties to be able to play on WRs in space. Based on the findings from the SDSU game where we refused to get out of that 2-high look against their 10 personel and our very conservative use of the spinner technique I am going to guess that Bo doesn't trust our secondary.

 
BigRedBuster said:
EZ-E said:
http://brophyfootbal...ont_15.html?m=1

There is a lot of football talk in this blog and I had to look up a ton while I read this the first time. But it all comes together. But this is the blog you can find all of it on.
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Boy....now my head is spinning just trying to comprehend everything on that site. I'm guessing that is what they mean by "spinner"?
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Matt Brophy has a very good conceptual grasp on the game

A bit of an xs and os savant

Yep after you read some of that, for the "alls you had to do is X" guys, you really have to laugh at how much more complex the game is than they have any clue about. And then you can feel for how the coaches get frustrated at all the very simple solutions offered.

 
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You know what I'm absolutely shocked at? We are tied for 28th nationally and I think 1st in the Big Ten for tackles for loss.

I would have thought our statistic on that would be really really bad.

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^ It has been in the past but is vastly improved this year. You know ... because we don't ever change anything.
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EZ-E said:
This is absolutely my biggest fear against NW and even Minnesota. If they go 10 and we have two high safeties it is just too easy.

I feel teams will play chess with us on this because they know what looks we will show and they'll run it until we drop that safety into the box and then try to exploit us over the top.
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But we're SUPPOSED to be playing chess. We set up looking like dummies, then when they think they know what they see and they try to exploit it, we're supposed to change coverage or something that gets us the advantage. Then after the game we wouldn't have to hear the opponent say, "it was easy.....we knew exactly what they were doing." Usually the coach figures out their weakness and hides the counter until the second half....then a good coach knows that's coming and counters their counter.....because he's a good coach and thinks ahead like that. Rarely does the strategy involve spending the second half yelling at the refs or telling the qb to run around his own backfield in circles.

 
devnet said:
Yeah we almost have as many sacks through our first 5 games as we had the entire year last year.

I'd say we're getting more of a push from our D line eh?
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Just from my casual observation I'd say our d-linemen have better motors than I've seen in a while. I guess that's why I haven't been as shook up as most about our D and think most of the problems are from youth. Our greatest offense, possibly ever, that scores 0 in the second half against UCLA is what concerns me the most. You'd think that kind of offense would do better.

 
Hayseed said:
devnet said:
Yeah we almost have as many sacks through our first 5 games as we had the entire year last year.

I'd say we're getting more of a push from our D line eh?
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Just from my casual observation I'd say our d-linemen have better motors than I've seen in a while. I guess that's why I haven't been as shook up as most about our D and think most of the problems are from youth. Our greatest offense, possibly ever, that scores 0 in the second half against UCLA is what concerns me the most. You'd think that kind of offense would do better.
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We've been rotating A LOT this year. Seems like every snap we have time to someone new comes in on the front 4.

 
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Hayseed said:
EZ-E said:
This is absolutely my biggest fear against NW and even Minnesota. If they go 10 and we have two high safeties it is just too easy.

I feel teams will play chess with us on this because they know what looks we will show and they'll run it until we drop that safety into the box and then try to exploit us over the top.
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But we're SUPPOSED to be playing chess. We set up looking like dummies, then when they think they know what they see and they try to exploit it, we're supposed to change coverage or something that gets us the advantage. Then after the game we wouldn't have to hear the opponent say, "it was easy.....we knew exactly what they were doing." Usually the coach figures out their weakness and hides the counter until the second half....then a good coach knows that's coming and counters their counter.....because he's a good coach and thinks ahead like that. Rarely does the strategy involve spending the second half yelling at the refs or telling the qb to run around his own backfield in circles.
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So the fact that Zenner gained around 5 yards in the second half means nothing?????

 
EZ-E said:
Hayseed said:
EZ-E said:
This is absolutely my biggest fear against NW and even Minnesota. If they go 10 and we have two high safeties it is just too easy.

I feel teams will play chess with us on this because they know what looks we will show and they'll run it until we drop that safety into the box and then try to exploit us over the top.
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But we're SUPPOSED to be playing chess. We set up looking like dummies, then when they think they know what they see and they try to exploit it, we're supposed to change coverage or something that gets us the advantage. Then after the game we wouldn't have to hear the opponent say, "it was easy.....we knew exactly what they were doing." Usually the coach figures out their weakness and hides the counter until the second half....then a good coach knows that's coming and counters their counter.....because he's a good coach and thinks ahead like that. Rarely does the strategy involve spending the second half yelling at the refs or telling the qb to run around his own backfield in circles.
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So the fact that Zenner gained around 5 yards in the second half means nothing?????
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What does this have to do with that? These are just general things that coaches do or don't do in big games. I guess to answer the Zenner question, we're getting very good against cupcakes....hopefully that will translate to the teams that are our own size.

 
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