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Abandon Biden movement in full swing.
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Democrats "Break Glass in Case of Emergency" Plan - Picking an alternate candidate.
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Fru
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It’s anecdotal takes like this that really dispel the “Any regular middle aged Dem would be better than Biden” mantra I endlessly see and hear. There’s plenty of perfectly suitable candidates that are run of the mill Dems and also not convicted felons, but yet we dismiss them for some benign reason. Then we wonder why we end up with candidates like Joe and Donald.
It’s like we’re in a horror movie and the monster is chasing us. Up ahead there’s a running car we can get in and drive away, and someone says “What kind of car is it? Is it a hybrid? What’s the gas mileage? Are the workers that built it unionized? Does it have Bluetooth?”
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TGHusker
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The Dems came within a whisker of doing so in 1968. They had a terrible convention - everything in turmoil. HHH ends up wining it without winning a primary. They take on Nixon who was a far better candidate than Trump is today and HHH probably, would have, could have, won without the 3rd party candidacy of Gov Wallace who got over 9 million votes and 46 EC votes. Nixon beat Humphry by 812k votes but by 110 electoral votes.
IF the Dems switch to a respectable ticket (no Harris on the ticket either) and Trump gets a strong sentence by the NY judge - the whole dynamic of the race can change.
RedDenver
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I don't think that's even remotely the case in today's politics. Losing the incumbent advantage will doom the Dems unless there's an extremely charismatic young candidate (basically Obama), but the Dems don't have anyone like that or we'd have already heard of them.
teachercd
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Ratt Mhule
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Shockingly, some of the snap polls after last night had show many undedicided voters thought Biden won. One was a 50/50 split of undecided voters in a county Trump won in 2020. Maybe its not as bad as it seemed. People look for different things and debates dont usually change much. Bernie won every debate imo in 2020 primaries and look what happened.
I wish things were different, but Biden is it. The math still aint mathing for Trump, no matter what polls say (btw NYT poll admitted their latest poll, republicans were more likely to answer their phones than dems and independents). He cant win if 20% of republicans dont vote for him and we are seeing real life data in every primary that shows 15-20% dont want him. The polls arent showing this. Id take the real
life data, especially that it came out during Trumls trial he paid polling companies to make them better for him in 2016. Maybe they are right, maybe not, all I know is Id vote for Bidens corpse if it meant keeping Trump away from power.
I wish things were different, but Biden is it. The math still aint mathing for Trump, no matter what polls say (btw NYT poll admitted their latest poll, republicans were more likely to answer their phones than dems and independents). He cant win if 20% of republicans dont vote for him and we are seeing real life data in every primary that shows 15-20% dont want him. The polls arent showing this. Id take the real
life data, especially that it came out during Trumls trial he paid polling companies to make them better for him in 2016. Maybe they are right, maybe not, all I know is Id vote for Bidens corpse if it meant keeping Trump away from power.
Dr. Strangelove
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The math only doesn't math if you ignore the overwhelming evidence that Trump is winning. Pollsters try to adjust polls by paty response ID.
It doesn't mean that it's a perfect method, but it spills be one thing if the NYT/Sienna polls were outliers with their methodology. But when nearly every poll shows Trump winning, that's where the issue lies. Make no mistake Trump is winning and is now the overwhelming favorite to win.
People who say he can't win are just so disgusted with him (rightfully so) that it just doesn't compute with them that it's possible anybody would contemplate voting for him in the first place.
Dr. Strangelove
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Wish this version showed up last night. I wonder if he was so stocked full of policy talking points he appeared unfocused.
teachercd
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Totally different guy (meds), I have seen it soooo many times with students that take certain meds. It is night and day.
I would have a lot of parents that would take their kids off meds during Xmas break so that their kid could be "normal" and then start them back up the morning back to school. The kid(s) would be a f#&%ing mess that day, either totally out of it or bouncing off the walls...
and did the Hoover family do something to the Biden family 100 years ago? My god, he loves calling out HH! Hahaha
I would have a lot of parents that would take their kids off meds during Xmas break so that their kid could be "normal" and then start them back up the morning back to school. The kid(s) would be a f#&%ing mess that day, either totally out of it or bouncing off the walls...
and did the Hoover family do something to the Biden family 100 years ago? My god, he loves calling out HH! Hahaha
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Ratt Mhule
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Polls also show that he is going to get more black votes than any republican president ever. Do you believe that? He might get more but hes not getting over 10%. If 15-20% of your own base vote against you, you cant win. That is why dems lost in 2016, they didnt turn out their base. He can win, Im not saying that. Just saying we have real life data that refutes the polls in nearly every primary vote so far.
Mierin
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Like Strangelove said, polls are adjusted to account for this type of thing. I.e. if they estimate Democrats are less likely to answer their phones, but they think Democrats and Republicans will vote in equal numbers, they will weight the poll as if the same # of Democrats answered their phones as Republicans.
Ratt Mhule
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OK if were going to go off polls, Biden has been up in many of the national polls recently and within the MOE in most swing states. Its going to be close no matter what and a stressful day on Nov. 5th no matter what.
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