kchusker_chris
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you realize you based your "facts" on a list that had already been filtered to 100, and then resorted it correct?
DiNardo tweet about Burkhead
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To avoid involving myself as much as I can, I think his point is that you can't take a list of the Top 100 rushers (by yards per game) and use that as your data set for top rushers (by yards per carry). It's wholly possible that a lot of backs have a higher yard per carry average, but maybe ran the football only a handful of times.
Now, if you can compile a list of top rushers by yards per carry, with backs that have over 200 carries, that'd be a lot more accurate. There are several guys on that list (like Dennis Johnson from Arkansas), who has just over 100 carries but as a significantly larger YPC average than Burkhead.
Maybe you did use external statistics outside that list you linked. But, if you didn't, then it's not a very accurate statistical analysis.
Now, if you can compile a list of top rushers by yards per carry, with backs that have over 200 carries, that'd be a lot more accurate. There are several guys on that list (like Dennis Johnson from Arkansas), who has just over 100 carries but as a significantly larger YPC average than Burkhead.
Maybe you did use external statistics outside that list you linked. But, if you didn't, then it's not a very accurate statistical analysis.
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kchusker_chris
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Agree, except a lot of backs carry the ball less than 200 times a game. Martinez only carried 189 times but you have to admit his is an integral part of our rushing attack. As is Gray at Minnesota with 199. I'd filter out 75ish. That gets the QBs that scramble a few times a game out of there...but not many of them are going to be above Rex at 4.8 anyway.
Heres what cfbstats uses, sounds fair:
PS: (if you look at just the Big10 he's only #14 in YPC)
Heres what cfbstats uses, sounds fair:
Note: To qualify, player must have played in 75% of his team's games and have a minimum of 4.0 rushing attempts per game played.
PS: (if you look at just the Big10 he's only #14 in YPC)
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'SkersRule
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Edit: To Enhance's point see the bolded part of my post.
The rushing stats from the NCAA are sorted or filtered strictly by yards per game average. So I went down the entire list and counted all the players who had a higher per carry average according to the official NCAA statistics. To that end there were 65 or so players ahead of Rex. Now I suppose that if a site like cfb.com counts every single RB on every team who has even as few as one or two carries for the entire season and on both carries the average is 5+ yards a pop and they include him in the entire per carry matrix then yeah Rex could be ranked lower. But in terms of the official NCAA stats what I said wasn't wrong. And the NCAA only ranks players who have a certain amount of attempts per game otherwise the data could be skewed. Because is it really an accurate comparison to compare Rex's 280+ carries on the season to some obscure back-up who had maybe 8 carries the entire season? No it is not.
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kchusker_chris
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^but you're still using a pre-filtered dataset. does Jamal Woodyard, with 110 attempts for 732 yards at 6.65 per attempt not count? Or smith with 61 attempts at 615 yards at 10.08 per attempt. He not count? I think a guy with 732 yards should get into your list. As should a whole slew of guys with 500+ that aren't included in that NCAA list.
'SkersRule
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Well Jamal Woodyard isn't listed on the NCAA stats here.
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_playerrush&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
Who does he play for? As far as your "should this guy count" question that isn't for me to say because I don't make the NCAA stats, I just cite 'em.
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_playerrush&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
Who does he play for? As far as your "should this guy count" question that isn't for me to say because I don't make the NCAA stats, I just cite 'em.
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This whole thread has turned into 
'SkersRule
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There's nothing requiring you to post in this thread if you find it uninteresting. :backtotopic
kchusker_chris
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no, you only use a small piece of them...which is the point. try using all of them (which you can't because their website doesn't allow you to which makes the stats pointless).
(Woodyard is a running back for southern miss. he doesn't make your list because you only count guys that average at least 57.75 yards per game - which is BS statistically - and my point).
For the record, I wouldn't even care if you hadn't specifically called me out for not doing the research - then provided bogus numbers to try and contradict me.
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'SkersRule
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First of all, I cited the two categories (average yards per game and carry) that you initially stated which spawned this conversation. And second, it's not my list it is the NCAA's official stats page. If you have a problem with the cut-off of 57.75 yards per game complain to the NCAA.
kchusker_chris
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haha - you're never going to understand. nevermind. :facepalm
where we're at: out of the top 100 rushing leaders based on yards per game...Burkhead ranks well into the bottom half based on YPC. so he is going to have a tough time becoming a Heisman candidate.
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'SkersRule
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You made a claim and initially failed to cite a source. I took the two criteria you mentioned and actually cited a source as the reason why I disagreed with you. Now that I understand the source you eventually cited but didn't mention initially, I get where you're coming from. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I "don't get it" or I "don't understand."
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