DOJ Initial Russia Hearings

Notre Dame Joe said:
Obama was only a few months out of office when he publicly told supporters that Obamacare was a step towards socialize medicine.  He was placating a crowd upset because he did not fully socialize medicine.  That's only moderate in the sense that Obama pushed the nose and neck of the socialist camel into the tent.  

EVERY modern Democrat has tried to being about socialized medicine.  So I'm not to impressed that to can call each one a "moderate" for advancing a bad idea in baby steps.

Otherwise Obama was restrained by a R Congress for 6/8 years. But he still governed from the left.
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If I go to the trouble of proving you wrong, in detail and across the board, the least you could do is say thanks.

 
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Notre Dame Joe said:
Obama was only a few months out of office when he publicly told supporters that Obamacare was a step towards socialize medicine. 
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Here's the second time you've been asked to provide a source for this. Please and thanks in advance.

Notre Dame Joe said:
There's plenty of socialized medicine countries around the world. Why do they fly their elites here instead of the other way around?
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Why do many of our elites fly to other countries for healthcare? Why is the number of Americans going overseas to places with socialized medicine on the rise, growing year over year?

Notre Dame Joe said:
Mmhhmm  Now why do you think the best Docs, best technology, best institutions are all found in the world's most capitalistic society.
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Well first of all, what the f#&% are you talking about? There are "best" doctors and technology and institutions all around the world. If they were only here as you WRONGLY suggest then why would Kobe Bryant make a half dozen trips to Germany for surgery and care on different injuries in his career? 

 
Rand Paul, an American Senator, went to Canada, where they have socialized medicine, for a medical procedure.

Incontrovertible fact. 

Why are we still pretending American health care is unparalleled?

Open your eyes.

 
knapplc said:
Rand Paul, an American Senator, went to Canada, where they have socialized medicine, for a medical procedure.

Incontrovertible fact. 

Why are we still pretending American health care is unparalleled?

Open your eyes.
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Blind nationalism.

Not like that's ever gone wrong before.

 
BigRedBuster said:
Are you totally against every form of socialism?
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No.

Landlord said:
Here's the second time you've been asked to provide a source for this. Please and thanks in advance.

Why do many of our elites fly to other countries for healthcare? Why is the number of Americans going overseas to places with socialized medicine on the rise, growing year over year?

Well first of all, what the f#&% are you talking about? There are "best" doctors and technology and institutions all around the world. If they were only here as you WRONGLY suggest then why would Kobe Bryant make a half dozen trips to Germany for surgery and care on different injuries in his career? 
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/09/07/barack-obama-just-endorsed-singlepayer-as-a-good-idea-for-democrats-to-run-on-n2516883

But you already knew that.  Left wingers were quietly saying it to each other during the Obamacare debate about how it would lead to what you wanted.  

Yes a few other Western nations have good healthcare and tech too.  They tend to be the ones that work most like the US.

 
Hey @Notre Dame Joe here's why people don't take you seriously.

Obama literally says verbatim, "...so Democrats aren't just running on good old ideas like a higher minimum wage, they're running on good new ideas like Medicare for all, giving workers seats on corporate boards...."

That's what he said in quotes. What he said, as an assessment, is that Democrats are running on ideas he thinks are good, Medicare for all being an example.

Then you say that Obama publicly said Obamacare was a step towards socialized medicine. Which.........he didn't say. At all.

Then you get called out on what you said, which was wrong, and asked to provide a link.

Then you provide a link and disprove your own claim. 

So it seems you're either being disingenuous with your claims or you are unable to extrapolate what someone actually says from what your slanted bias and interpretation believes they said.

 
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Obama didn't use the phrase 'socialized medicine' because it's a negatively charged word.  He called it 'universal hc' or one of the nice words politicians use to justify the takeover on an industry.  

I heard Obama talking on NPR.  I didn't think it was controversial because he was just admitting what most conservatives could smell in 2010. Are you saying Im a liar?

 
BigRedBuster said:
I was wondering when this was going to start.  I'm actually surprised it didn't start earlier this week when it was announced the report would be released on Thursday.
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It will be interesting to see. From what I understand he really hasn't seen the report so maybe he won't be too vocal until every news outlet in America is hammering on every Trump detail from the report.

 
Notre Dame Joe said:
Obama didn't use the phrase 'socialized medicine' because it's a negatively charged word.  He called it 'universal hc' or one of the nice words politicians use to justify the takeover on an industry.  

I heard Obama talking on NPR.  I didn't think it was controversial because he was just admitting what most conservatives could smell in 2010. Are you saying Im a liar?
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Well until you can provide a link that actually backs up your claim, I'm saying that you're either wrong or you're a liar.

 
Nebfanatic said:
It will be interesting to see. From what I understand he really hasn't seen the report so maybe he won't be too vocal until every news outlet in America is hammering on every Trump detail from the report.
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he hasn't read the report...too damn long for the donald to read....but they have already prepared their counter to the report so i guess his team has seen it already

 
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