East-West not necessarily best for NU

OMG!!! So it was scheme??!!. WOW!! Funny how it works out being exactly what I said to begin with. Intradesting.

Barring injury, Russell Wilson is going to be great-->fact.
Oh i thought Bo said he knew how to stop the run? He in fact did not how to stop the run.
You got me-I have no idea where youre taking this. This was a discussion based on Wisconsin's physicality vs scheme and now youre talking about Texas, Big 12 and Bo P. soundbites. I'm lost. I'm out.
yeah they were the phyiscally running it down our throats. Your lost cause you have been proven wrong. Then you want to claim once in the past 2 seasons that a close win blocks out the a$$ kickings Wisconsin gave us.

 
OMG!!! So it was scheme??!!. WOW!! Funny how it works out being exactly what I said to begin with. Intradesting.

Barring injury, Russell Wilson is going to be great-->fact.
Oh i thought Bo said he knew how to stop the run? He in fact did not how to stop the run.
You got me-I have no idea where youre taking this. This was a discussion based on Wisconsin's physicality vs scheme and now youre talking about Texas, Big 12 and Bo P. soundbites. I'm lost. I'm out.
yeah they were the phyiscally running it down our throats. Your lost cause you have been proven wrong. Then you want to claim once in the past 2 seasons that a close win blocks out the a$$ kickings Wisconsin gave us.
So what was it when we stonewalled their a$$ last year. They had little to no success "running it down our throats" in that game. Hence, it was about scheme, not physicality. It's the point I've been trying to make since the beginning, until you began your ramblings on everything that doesnt matter.

 
OMG!!! So it was scheme??!!. WOW!! Funny how it works out being exactly what I said to begin with. Intradesting.

Barring injury, Russell Wilson is going to be great-->fact.
Oh i thought Bo said he knew how to stop the run? He in fact did not how to stop the run.
You got me-I have no idea where youre taking this. This was a discussion based on Wisconsin's physicality vs scheme and now youre talking about Texas, Big 12 and Bo P. soundbites. I'm lost. I'm out.
yeah they were the phyiscally running it down our throats. Your lost cause you have been proven wrong. Then you want to claim once in the past 2 seasons that a close win blocks out the a$$ kickings Wisconsin gave us.
So what was it when we stonewalled their a$$ last year. They had little to no success "running it down our throats" in that game. Hence, it was about scheme, not physicality. It's the point I've been trying to make since the beginning, until you began your ramblings on everything that doesnt matter.
So you are picking an early September game over a december game with a bcs rose bowl berth? those two games aren't equal. you can't pile up rushing yards without being physical.

 
Not sure I understand Jason Peter's argument but he just responded to my tweet mentioning Wisconsin winning 3 straight:

Jason Peter@jasonpeter43s

shows u how bad it is as a whole! So there's 1 good team on "west" side.

 
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So you are picking an early September game over a december game with a bcs rose bowl berth? those two games aren't equal. you can't pile up rushing yards without being physical.
My land. I'll try to do this right this time.

It could. That said, they still have the OL and DL and overall physicality that they have had. But you are right... there are variables whose effect we cannot yet know. Still... Wisconsin has a huge up on NU in having destroyed us several times... their confidence against us will be sky high (they do not, I'd suspect, see the Huskers as major competition) --- and that too can be to NU's advantage (they might take NU lightly which plays well for us).

In any event, I concede that it could be a 40/60 thing in their favor in terms of winning the west. Whatever... when the split takes place and the west is formed... Wisconsin, not Nebraska, will be the expected front runner.

This guy made a point about Wisconsin physically overpowering us on the basis that it was a good matchup against us. I simple contradicted that by saying it was more scheme than physicality simply because in 1 of the 3 games against Wisconsin, we had a lot of success stopping their run-probably because of their new oline coach or fired one, or whatever that hell was going on at the time. Also, in the first matchup, they had a great qb that provide priceless balance to an already great running game, further stressing the defense. It my simple point of scheme vs physical advantage. You accuse me of using the Sept 2012 win to cover up the other two losses. No such thing happened. Then you rambled on about Texas and the Big 12 (for whatever the hell reason???) and soundbites about Bo claiming he knows how to stop the run. I said I thought it was scheme that allowed Wisconsin to dominate us, not physical ability. You started vomitting all over the thread.

Is this clear now?

 
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Interesting post by a Rutgers fan:

32 B1G teams have won or shared Football Conference Championships since 1995:

Here are those 32 Conference Championships by team and division, assuming Purdue is in the WEST:

Ohio State 9 EAST

Wisconsin 5 (including the last 3 B1G championships) WEST

ann arbor 5 EAST

Nebraska 3 (in Big 8 and Big 12) WEST

Northwestern 3 WEST

Iowa 2 WEST

Penn State 2 EAST

Sparty 1 EAST

Purdue 1 WEST

Illinois 1 WEST

That equals 15 for the WEST and 17 for the EAST, which is relatively close.

Nebraska was not eligible to share conference titles throughout that timeframe,

because, the Big 12 has had Conference Championship games a lot longer than

the B1G. Two shared championships from Nebraska would have given the

WEST 17 and EAST 17.

 
"Osborne is on the sidelines, and might soon be watching something he didn't necessarily sign up for."

History looks to repeat itself yet again...

 
Jason Peter@jasonpeter2m Just saw potential "east-west" divisions for Big10 in 2014! go back to Big12 please! What a joke!Big12 north was 2x tougher &that div sucke
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People are all worked up again. Oh the offseason. Most of the whining is over the 'names' and perception, not how things actually have been. Over the last few years, OSU and Wisc are the best two in the conference. Mich and Neb would be the next, with NW and MSU after. Each side has 3 of those splits. Penn St will probably be closer to Purdue or Indiana over the next decade, and there is no guarantee they will ever be a power again. So unless we are talking which side is going to sell more merch, it looks pretty close competitively, as teams are trending now.

And remember, when the Big XII formed, all the power teams were in the North, not the South. A series of idiotic coaching hires in the North, and great hires in the South have so much more to do with things that what some want to think.

 
if you compare the divisions... at the top... OSU is better than Wisconsin next level... Michigan is a toss up with... but perhaps a bit ahead of Nebraska Michigan State, Penn State, Rutgers are better than the three middle teams in the west the bottom for each division is somewhat unknown... but again it looks like the east is better. So... the East is superior in every conceivable way. the BiG west is like the B12 North... NU will be fine, generally, in division but outclassed when they go east. I'd expect the Huskers to win the west 30% of the time and Wisconsin 70% of the time in the foreseeable future (something like that.. maybe 40/60 or so). Then the west champ will lose 90% of the time to the east champ... And... as noted by others... all the attention will go to the east... bigger schools, more populous states, more media attention, and better teams... This does not help NU at all... if this were known when NU was contemplating a move from the B12 to the B1G... I surmise NU would have been much, much, much less interested in the move to the B1G conference.
I may have been a little jaded by the overall weakenss of the Big10 and Pac10 in Football in my formative years, But I feel most Husker Fans felt like the move to this conference was a slight? step down in Football competition (which ~94.37% of our interest occupied..layed..lied...uh was in?).

The main thing that made it palatable (to me, anyway) was the perceived improvement in the research/academic side of things and the probability of the Big12/Texass League imploding soon..This "new thing" wasn't anywhere near perfect, but a backup choice didn't seem to even exist.

 
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As usual on the Wisconsin arguement, people only see Nebraska improving, Wisconsin started off badly, fired the Oline coach and steadily improved through the year. Where as Nebraska played some weak opponents, squeaked by some, given some. Wisconsin played better every week, nearly beat an Ohio State team that spanked us and then beat the hell out of us. Two different games, to different levels of importance. Was it the physicallity of the Badgers or the inept coaching of Nebraska? A little of both, but trust me, Wisconsin has no fear of Nebraska.

 
As usual on the Wisconsin arguement, people only see Nebraska improving, Wisconsin started off badly, fired the Oline coach and steadily improved through the year. Where as Nebraska played some weak opponents, squeaked by some, given some. Wisconsin played better every week, nearly beat an Ohio State team that spanked us and then beat the hell out of us. Two different games, to different levels of importance. Was it the physicallity of the Badgers or the inept coaching of Nebraska? A little of both, but trust me, Wisconsin has no fear of Nebraska.
And we have no fear of Wisconsin. Anyone that says we are afraid of those guys needs a major history lesson.

 
The divisions are a little lop-sided, because Ohio State and Michigan are on one side. But I don't put much stock in Michigan State and Penn State adding to that side's dominance. Cousins is in the NFL now, and Penn State likely won't be anything more than mediocre for a long time. Although I would say Penn State overachieved this year, they're only going to be able to live on emotion for so long.

Whichever side Ohio State is on is going to be the stronger division. They have the coach in place, and a recruiting base that gives them a distinct advantage over any other Big Ten team for the foreseeable future. If you trade Ohio State and Wisconsin, then we'd have the stronger division.

I think people are freaking out over nothing.

 
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As usual on the Wisconsin arguement, people only see Nebraska improving, Wisconsin started off badly, fired the Oline coach and steadily improved through the year. Where as Nebraska played some weak opponents, squeaked by some, given some. Wisconsin played better every week, nearly beat an Ohio State team that spanked us and then beat the hell out of us. Two different games, to different levels of importance. Was it the physicallity of the Badgers or the inept coaching of Nebraska? A little of both, but trust me, Wisconsin has no fear of Nebraska.
Again, I'm not making excuses or trying to deny that Wisconsin whipped our a$$. I'm not denying that our staff was run cirlces around in two of the meetings. Bases on the fact that our defense played pretty damn good in one of the meetings suggests to me that Wisconsin's 2 wins are more from scheme than physical ability. You really think Wisconsin and Ohio St are 40 points better than us on shere talent alone?

HELL NO. Because we've beaten them before. It was situational game x's and o's.

As far as fear goes. It's frickin football. If anyone has fear of anybody, youre playing the wrong sport. Time to take up badmitton.

 
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