RedNeckHusker
Three-Star Recruit
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HuskerGBR
Special Teams Player
Well I am not happy with the whole thing. I only put my faith in TO doing whatever he thinks is best (and Pearlman listens carefully to him too). I would miss seeing us play OU, KU, and CU I have to say. I am just glad that I don't have to make the decision, because I would tell Beebe a few things during those meetings. I am also glad, because my opinion doesn't have any effect on NU's decision so I can say anything here and it won't matter haha. I get your concerns and they are always in the back of my mind. My biggest concern is everyone else jumping ship and we are the ones left wondering what happened, instead of being the ones that come out of this thing in good shape.
irafreak
All-American
:rollin
Seriously...an ultimatum is not giving us respect. Texass feels we should all be so lucky to be in their conference and we are disrespecting them by looking elsewhere. This ultimatum is meant to put us in our place as was that hokey pac10 story. Texas wants us to stay but they're too proud to come out and say it. But again...none of us affect this outcome so either you trust the university or you don't. If we stay I'm cool with their decision.
I also don't believe Knapplc was making personal attacks. He just likes facts. Plus your concerns are portrayed as kind of over the top... You can take it personal or just stand up for yourself and we're all cool with that.
1995 Huskers
Banned
Knapplc is a cool guy...just in small doses :laughpound
knapplc
International Man of Mystery
It starts small, but then you build up a tolerance. After a while you won't even notice me.
1995 Huskers
Banned
Almost 7,000 posts it will be kind of hard to not notice you, but come on we are all Husker fans :bonez
RedNeckHusker
Three-Star Recruit
it's all good.
I hope we make the right call, and I know I'm currently in the minority thinking that we should stay put.
But I wouldn't stay put without some conditions. My biggest beef is TU's desire not to play along with a Big 12 network.
The other stuff - Jerry's World, the league offices, the last second - are things that could be argued either way forever more, but aren't good reasons to leave a conference.
I have some huge problems with the Big 10, but I've made those known. About the only benefits that are being touted are more $$$, and more "prestige". As if those two things are the be-all, end-all. I don't think that they are, and I think that over time that fact will come clear.
I see it as a gamble of unprecedented proportions, with a true "payout" that is highly questionable.
I hope we make the right call, and I know I'm currently in the minority thinking that we should stay put.
But I wouldn't stay put without some conditions. My biggest beef is TU's desire not to play along with a Big 12 network.
The other stuff - Jerry's World, the league offices, the last second - are things that could be argued either way forever more, but aren't good reasons to leave a conference.
I have some huge problems with the Big 10, but I've made those known. About the only benefits that are being touted are more $$$, and more "prestige". As if those two things are the be-all, end-all. I don't think that they are, and I think that over time that fact will come clear.
I see it as a gamble of unprecedented proportions, with a true "payout" that is highly questionable.
knapplc
International Man of Mystery
Ease off the panic button a bit. Were you this panicked when we joined the Big 12? If not, why not? The money is better in the Big 10, both athletically and academically. The prestige most certainly is there. The ability to make Nebraska a better educational institution is most certainly real, and has recent examples of success.
Speaking strictly from an athletic point of view, we would benefit in football by rubbing elbows with three of the top seven teams with the most wins in college football - four if Notre Dame joins. That would make, including Nebraska and Notre Dame, five of the top seven teams all time in one conference. That's a heck of a football pedigree. And as we've seen with Oklahoma, Nebraska, USC, etc, just because a program is down now doesn't mean they'll stay down when they have the kind of fan bases and support structures like a Michigan.
RedNeckHusker
Three-Star Recruit
ND adds some sizzle to be sure; I just don't think they're coming on board.
My concern overall is that NU is leaving its roots, which is the western edge of the midwest and even south (NE, KS, CO, OK) to do this deal. Texas to a lesser degree. If our college kids can't attend road games without catching a flight, then something has really gotten out of whack.
I also think that we have some neighborly responsibility to our other midwest friends that we have shared a conference with for a long, long time. KSU, KU, ISU, OU, OSU, and CU to a lesser degree. I feel genuinely sorry for programs like KSU that are in even more isolated markets than Lincoln, and I feel we owe them more than this.
The Big 10 might be a better deal financially and with the "prestige", but that league isn't Nebraska culture and won't ever be. Square peg forced into a round hole for a grab for cash and perceived prestige.
I don't like it.
As for the Big 12 formation, I liked it because I thought the geography was still a good fit and that some new rivalries would be born. And the Texas culture fits very well with the Oklahoma, KS, and NE culture. We certainly have a lot more collectively in common (agriculture, farming, ranching, and energy) than any of the rust belt states. There is a lot of commonality among the Big 12 schools - bullying by UT athletics aside.
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RedNeckHusker
Three-Star Recruit
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Cash grab? Yes, its a gigantic boost in revenue for BOTH our schools. In the long term, remaining in the Big XII is SIMPLY NOT financially viable if our ADs would like to remain nationally competitive at any meaningful level. Nebraska currently brings home 9 million per year, Mizzou around 8.4. Northwestern took home 14 million. Not to mention the immense academic benefits of joining the conference. There is no substantive reason to remain in the Big 12, and doing so would be a short sighted choice driven by nostalgia, not rationality.
deedsker15
Starter
About the recruiting...didn't we got some awesome players from nebraska...ahman green, courtney grixby, niles paul
We have always gotten talent from across the country...we tommy frazier from florida, we have numerous kids on scholarship right now from california, and, yes, texas
the money we roll in on research and the athletic department
and isn't the weather in the big 11 country pretty much the same as us in nebraska???
We have always gotten talent from across the country...we tommy frazier from florida, we have numerous kids on scholarship right now from california, and, yes, texas
the money we roll in on research and the athletic department
and isn't the weather in the big 11 country pretty much the same as us in nebraska???
Nice discussion guys...
After reading all this stuff, I am left with just a couple thoughts.
When the Big 12 was forming, Tom Osborne had a couple concerns. The first was that Texas and Texas A&M had large football budgets and the potential to be good. OU could then come back and make for a meat grinder threesome in the south. Add to that, the Big 12 title game would be a national eliminator, and it was for NU under Oz with that upset loss to the Longhorns. Oz also didn't really want to lose the week of recruiting in order to play the title game.
These days, Texas and OU are the dominant teams. A&M is not, but has the money and could become very good very quick under the right coach. Oz was right. The conference title game is a national eliminator. Texas almost felt the other end of the deal had we pulled the upset in December. As for the recruiting thing, I think teams adapted, but I can see Oz's point.
The academic and money stuff is real. No dispute about that. But there are other pressures. Other conferences are looking to expand. CU has always been rumored to the Pac 10 since those schools seem to fit with a Cal-Berkley East operation that is Boulder. The Pac 10s interest in other Big 12 schools is new, however. The Big 10 talk has created a stir too. The North may feel a lack of love because the power has been in the south for a while now. All the teams are trying to figure out what to do, but Nebraska has reason to look because Oz never felt we were a fit here anyway.
Lastly, as it pertains to recruiting and competition, well, we don't know, but here is the deal, should we bolt for Big 10 land and my fear is right, we end up fourth or fifth fiddle, football irrelevance might be a few bad seasons away, and there will be nothing we can do to change it then!!
After reading all this stuff, I am left with just a couple thoughts.
When the Big 12 was forming, Tom Osborne had a couple concerns. The first was that Texas and Texas A&M had large football budgets and the potential to be good. OU could then come back and make for a meat grinder threesome in the south. Add to that, the Big 12 title game would be a national eliminator, and it was for NU under Oz with that upset loss to the Longhorns. Oz also didn't really want to lose the week of recruiting in order to play the title game.
These days, Texas and OU are the dominant teams. A&M is not, but has the money and could become very good very quick under the right coach. Oz was right. The conference title game is a national eliminator. Texas almost felt the other end of the deal had we pulled the upset in December. As for the recruiting thing, I think teams adapted, but I can see Oz's point.
The academic and money stuff is real. No dispute about that. But there are other pressures. Other conferences are looking to expand. CU has always been rumored to the Pac 10 since those schools seem to fit with a Cal-Berkley East operation that is Boulder. The Pac 10s interest in other Big 12 schools is new, however. The Big 10 talk has created a stir too. The North may feel a lack of love because the power has been in the south for a while now. All the teams are trying to figure out what to do, but Nebraska has reason to look because Oz never felt we were a fit here anyway.
Lastly, as it pertains to recruiting and competition, well, we don't know, but here is the deal, should we bolt for Big 10 land and my fear is right, we end up fourth or fifth fiddle, football irrelevance might be a few bad seasons away, and there will be nothing we can do to change it then!!
Rail Rider
Walk-on
The Husker's joining the big 10 make's sense only by the more money we would get, and that may not be that much more if the Big 12 gets a simular deal that the SEC has for TV. Sure Texas getting some bonuses for being the big dog, but nothing we can't handle on the football field. The Huskers are back with Bo at the helm, and which scenario would favor the Huskers getting to a BCS game. I think with Bo we would play in the Big 12 championship game almost every year. We win that one were looking at a BCS bowl if not the MNC game. I don't see us loosing many games in the Northern division, but if we go to the Big 10 the road gets much tougher. The top of the Big 10 is pretty simular to the top of the Big 12, but the bottom of the Big 10 seems to me much tougher than the bottom feeders of the Big 12. Not that we couldn't win the Big 10, I just think it would be much harder than in our current position in the Big 12. I would love nothing more beating Texas or Ou in the Big 12 Championship game. Lets stay in the Big 12 and dish out a little a$$ whooping.