If Frank was a hell of a coach, then why isn't he in a better job than he currently holds? If he is this world beater coach, then why haven't top programs snatched him up? He's done alright in his current position but I wouldn't say he's set the world on fire.cm husker said:
No, we don't.
Competing means we have to have a chance at winning. If we don't meet or exceed the talent level of the OSU's of the world, our chances of winning diminish the greater that gap is. This is an incontrovertible fact. If you want to compete with the best, you HAVE to be able to beat them. You aren't going to consistently beat OSU's 4-5* roster with a 2-3* roster, or even a 3-4* roster.
You said that Solich would have likely "signed" Woodhead, of course that is total crap, Frank was never going to give him a scollie and did not do much to encourage him to walk on. If he thought he could be a returner, that means he never took him seriously as a running back. Danny knew that! Danny wanted a scholarship and the only one worth taking came from Chadron. End of story.
We have made two crucial errors which has led us to where we currently are. The first was TO pulling rank when $ Byrne wanted to offer Stoops the job when TO retired. The second was firing Solich. We have been paying for both errors going on two decades now. If Frank isn't a very good HC, why in the heck has he been nominated by his peers as the conference coach of the year three times in his HC career? Karma is a b!^@h, and we're still paying for firing Frank.
Again, that 247 ranking accounts for attrition. It's based on current rosters.Sargon said:Spooky I am talking about actual talent as shown again and again on the field by play, in the games, this year. Game starting rosters. So no forecasting at all about it. This team did poorly in post season awards because they earned it with their play in games this year.
As for using supposed pre-season "talent" Phil Steele does it well. He does not include star power for players not on the team for example (because duh guys not on the team never make good contributions). Returning starters are worth more cause on average they outperform the others. His predictions like all predictions will become less and less valid as important players miss time for whatever reason throughout the year or there's a 3* Johnny football surprise at QB.
I share your preference for 247 ranking. But signed talent is less and less useful as a proxy for actual talent on a team now, over time (one team retains and develops most 4-5 starts and another gets low performance out of em (poor for NU's 2011 class...Texas classes 2010 2011 and 2012 IIRC their NFL drafts hit the sh*t*r the last few years and that is mostly to do with the the old coaches recruiting not with the current coaches coaching).
I'm late to this thread but just couldn't let this go by. Hogan's putting would never have allowed him to take the titleof best ever, even if he had never been injured. And while he did "dig it out of the dirt", he also had an inherent amount of natural talent. And people who do have that natural talent don't realize that not everyone can do those same things so easily. There are scores of people that I'velayed with that, no matter how much time and work they put in, could never sniff scratch.But Hogan followed his own advice. In the history of the world, no one spent more time on the practice range than Hogan. And he was the greatest golfer ever. If not for a horrific bus accident, he would've set records that no one would've ever touched.Ben Hogan was himself one of the greatest golfers of all time. But I'm not sure he's right about that. Ever hear about The Dan Plan? LINK Dan may be disproving what Ben Hogan said.Ben Hogan always said that anyone that didn't have some sort of physical disabilty could learn to shoot scratch golf. I agree with him. But most people aren't willing to put in the amount of effort required, mostly because there are no guarantees.So....Of course, that's got to be it.
Chuck Norris described himself as being un-athletic and on top of that, he broke his shoulder during his first two weeks of marital arts training. Yet he retired as undefeated Middleweight Full Contact Karate champion. Do you think that was because of some "revealed talent" or because he practiced for five hours every day?
You are honestly...with a straight face....telling me that if I had only worked harder when I was younger I could have been as good as Irving Fryer as a WR or Mike Rozier as a RB or Turner Gill as a QB...Or...if I so choose, I could have been the next Dave Rimington. All I was missing is the hard work they obviously put in.
So in principle, I agree with Bowfin.
That said, I think it's clear that anyone can *improve* considerably with sufficient effort and training.
