Fall Camp Position Battles - Quarterback

[Mavric]

For all you supporters of the disappointed underclassman transfer practice, this transfer highlights the problems therewith. Bush transfers to some other school and presumably will start out at the bottom and have to earn his way up the team's depth chart. He leaves Nebraska as the clear number 3 guy with only two seniors ahead of him. Rarely has Nebraska football had but one starting QB make it through the year without a bump or bruise or something. It is not terribly unlikely to have the top two QBs go down making Bush the starter. One major injury to Tommy this fall and it is quite probable that by mid season Bush would assume the starting role as Fyfe has demonstrated he is at best 'back up' material destined to be the emergency fill in until somebody else can be installed. As a senior, he cannot reasonably basis be called 'the future' of the program at QB.

Now the redshirt season for POB is pretty much out of the question, which suits me fine, but apparently bothered many on this board. If as many argue POB should not play this year, we are then facing yet again the ugly prospect of entering a season without a returning QB with ANY game experience in Lincoln at all. NONE. This being the third year of the Riley experiment, that ought to give even the most confident supporter cause for alarm. Tanner Lee comes with some collegiate experience but not in our offense or at the Big Ten level of major college ball but he will have had to sit out for entire year and the live action under the lights experience of Tulane football will be a distant memory and have little relevance.

Perhaps Riley has told Bush he is just not ever going to be suitable for the job and that he would be wise to move on to better oppotunities elsewhere. ? Absent that, I just don't see the logic of Bush transfer.

POB will redshirt unless both players above him are hurt. That's a fact. So, no, the redshirt is not out of the question.

Not wanting to belabor the point as time and events will ultimately answer our questions certainly, but are you suggesting by this that ONLY will POB play one snap this fall as the number 3 QB IF both Tommy and Fyfe are seriously hurt. We'll let Fyfe limp his way through half the season on a bad ankle sprain in order to preserve POB's valuable redshirt season? I firmly believe we need a back up QB (at all times) that has meaningful game experience and is prepared to be 'the man' if called upon by circumstances as they may then be. . To me, having the QB be ready to play is perhaps the most fundamental part of roster and team management the HC can do. He needs to always be planning and keeping the various positions staffed and ready for action. Injuries, personal problems, etc, etc etc are a major part of the management of personnel of any organization. Personnel management means having the people in place, trained and ready to perform so that the organization functions at a high, efficient and successful level. Quarterback performance is essential of a team's success. This is not debatable really. Without Bush, we now have two seniors (one with nearly 3 years of real life game experience and almost nobody is saying we should bench him as he's had his chance and failed to get R done. But, we have to plan not only for 2016 but for 2017 and beyond. I don't want to go 10-3 this fall and 3-10 next fall because we are starting over training our next Tommy Armstrong. This is unfair to the fans, the other players and everyone. Mismanagement gets many people fired. You must be committed to winning both now and in the future.

There are a lot of variables and scenarios but generally speaking the staff sounds like they will use every other available option to preserve POB's redshirt.

If TA were to be injured early in the year and out for extended time, it might be interesting. But if TA is out for a game and something happens to Fyfe during that game, they'd probably try to get through that game with Darlington at QB.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Spoiled by the mich st game. Thinks it's gonna be like that in every 2 minute drill. With your best receiver literally running FREE 30 yards down the field play after play after play after play.

I still dont know what Michigan st was trying to do on that last drive. I'll never understand. I mean, there's prevent, which only prevents you from winning, and then there's what they did. I just dont know.

Yeah, that was bizarre. As I recall, it's not like the safeties were trying to cover two guys or something like that. They just totally failed to have anyone anywhere near our best WR.

And Tommy still almost threw a pick with a YOLO bomb in the endzone.

Dont forget the near pick on the two point play following the winning td. That dude probably shouldve picked that off as well, and went the other way for 2, costing us the game.

 

[BigRedBuster]

Spoiled by the mich st game. Thinks it's gonna be like that in every 2 minute drill. With your best receiver literally running FREE 30 yards down the field play after play after play after play.

I still dont know what Michigan st was trying to do on that last drive. I'll never understand. I mean, there's prevent, which only prevents you from winning, and then there's what they did. I just dont know.

Yeah, that was bizarre. As I recall, it's not like the safeties were trying to cover two guys or something like that. They just totally failed to have anyone anywhere near our best WR.

It's proof that you can have one of the best defenses in the country and you can still have mistakes and miscommunication. These are college kids not robots.

 

[Mavric]

Spoiled by the mich st game. Thinks it's gonna be like that in every 2 minute drill. With your best receiver literally running FREE 30 yards down the field play after play after play after play.

I still dont know what Michigan st was trying to do on that last drive. I'll never understand. I mean, there's prevent, which only prevents you from winning, and then there's what they did. I just dont know.

Yeah, that was bizarre. As I recall, it's not like the safeties were trying to cover two guys or something like that. They just totally failed to have anyone anywhere near our best WR.

It's proof that you can have one of the best defenses in the country and you can still have mistakes and miscommunication. These are college kids not robots.

The other option being that the coach made a terrible decision on what defense should be run and the kids were running what was called.

 

[Count 'Bility]

could be a number of reasons. But it was still mind boggling. On the first completion i was like "ok. weve got a chance". then the second and i was like "what the hell is sparty doing? we just gained 60 yards in 10 seconds"

 

[Red Five]

Spoiled by the mich st game. Thinks it's gonna be like that in every 2 minute drill. With your best receiver literally running FREE 30 yards down the field play after play after play after play.

I still dont know what Michigan st was trying to do on that last drive. I'll never understand. I mean, there's prevent, which only prevents you from winning, and then there's what they did. I just dont know.

Yeah, that was bizarre. As I recall, it's not like the safeties were trying to cover two guys or something like that. They just totally failed to have anyone anywhere near our best WR.

It's proof that you can have one of the best defenses in the country and you can still have mistakes and miscommunication. These are college kids not robots.

The other option being that the coach made a terrible decision on what defense should be run and the kids were running what was called.

I thought that TA credited Riley/Langs for have the MSU D scouted perfectly. The basically knew if we ran that formation in that situation that Westy would be wide open.

edited:

Having a good idea of how the Michigan State defense would play it, offensive coordinator Danny Langsdorf said NU formationed to get Westerkamp in the slot to run a particular seam route rather than throwing toward the sidelines.




“Westy had a good feel of that route all week, and we felt they were a little vulnerable in the middle,” Langsdorf said.

“We knew they were going to kind of go with those three high safeties,” Armstrong said. “We kind of played it smart by watching film, watching certain plays that other guys ran on them in certain situations. I think that it was great that it actually showed up."

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/this-time-jordan-westerkamp-sets-up-the-miracle/article_e87153a4-85e1-11e5-b621-e7e9317f4db1.html

 

[Mavric]

Spoiled by the mich st game. Thinks it's gonna be like that in every 2 minute drill. With your best receiver literally running FREE 30 yards down the field play after play after play after play.

I still dont know what Michigan st was trying to do on that last drive. I'll never understand. I mean, there's prevent, which only prevents you from winning, and then there's what they did. I just dont know.

Yeah, that was bizarre. As I recall, it's not like the safeties were trying to cover two guys or something like that. They just totally failed to have anyone anywhere near our best WR.

It's proof that you can have one of the best defenses in the country and you can still have mistakes and miscommunication. These are college kids not robots.

The other option being that the coach made a terrible decision on what defense should be run and the kids were running what was called.

I thought that TA credited Riley/Langs for have the MSU D scouted perfectly. The basically knew if we ran that formation in that situation that Westy would be wide open.

edited:

Having a good idea of how the Michigan State defense would play it, offensive coordinator Danny Langsdorf said NU formationed to get Westerkamp in the slot to run a particular seam route rather than throwing toward the sidelines.




“Westy had a good feel of that route all week, and we felt they were a little vulnerable in the middle,” Langsdorf said.

“We knew they were going to kind of go with those three high safeties,” Armstrong said. “We kind of played it smart by watching film, watching certain plays that other guys ran on them in certain situations. I think that it was great that it actually showed up."

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/this-time-jordan-westerkamp-sets-up-the-miracle/article_e87153a4-85e1-11e5-b621-e7e9317f4db1.html

Nice work. I remember that now but had forgotten that.

So that pretty much answers the question. We knew the kind of defense they ran in a prevent-type situation and took advantage of it. Good work by our coaches. Poor job by theirs.

 

[BigRedBuster]

Spoiled by the mich st game. Thinks it's gonna be like that in every 2 minute drill. With your best receiver literally running FREE 30 yards down the field play after play after play after play.

I still dont know what Michigan st was trying to do on that last drive. I'll never understand. I mean, there's prevent, which only prevents you from winning, and then there's what they did. I just dont know.

Yeah, that was bizarre. As I recall, it's not like the safeties were trying to cover two guys or something like that. They just totally failed to have anyone anywhere near our best WR.

It's proof that you can have one of the best defenses in the country and you can still have mistakes and miscommunication. These are college kids not robots.

The other option being that the coach made a terrible decision on what defense should be run and the kids were running what was called.

I thought that TA credited Riley/Langs for have the MSU D scouted perfectly. The basically knew if we ran that formation in that situation that Westy would be wide open.

edited:

Having a good idea of how the Michigan State defense would play it, offensive coordinator Danny Langsdorf said NU formationed to get Westerkamp in the slot to run a particular seam route rather than throwing toward the sidelines.




“Westy had a good feel of that route all week, and we felt they were a little vulnerable in the middle,” Langsdorf said.

“We knew they were going to kind of go with those three high safeties,” Armstrong said. “We kind of played it smart by watching film, watching certain plays that other guys ran on them in certain situations. I think that it was great that it actually showed up."

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/this-time-jordan-westerkamp-sets-up-the-miracle/article_e87153a4-85e1-11e5-b621-e7e9317f4db1.html

Nice work. I remember that now but had forgotten that.

So that pretty much answers the question. We knew the kind of defense they ran in a prevent-type situation and took advantage of it. Good work by our coaches. Poor job by theirs.

Good find on the article and...good coaching.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

Spoiled by the mich st game. Thinks it's gonna be like that in every 2 minute drill. With your best receiver literally running FREE 30 yards down the field play after play after play after play.

I still dont know what Michigan st was trying to do on that last drive. I'll never understand. I mean, there's prevent, which only prevents you from winning, and then there's what they did. I just dont know.

Yeah, that was bizarre. As I recall, it's not like the safeties were trying to cover two guys or something like that. They just totally failed to have anyone anywhere near our best WR.

It's proof that you can have one of the best defenses in the country and you can still have mistakes and miscommunication. These are college kids not robots.

The other option being that the coach made a terrible decision on what defense should be run and the kids were running what was called.

I thought that TA credited Riley/Langs for have the MSU D scouted perfectly. The basically knew if we ran that formation in that situation that Westy would be wide open.

edited:

Having a good idea of how the Michigan State defense would play it, offensive coordinator Danny Langsdorf said NU formationed to get Westerkamp in the slot to run a particular seam route rather than throwing toward the sidelines.




“Westy had a good feel of that route all week, and we felt they were a little vulnerable in the middle,” Langsdorf said.

“We knew they were going to kind of go with those three high safeties,” Armstrong said. “We kind of played it smart by watching film, watching certain plays that other guys ran on them in certain situations. I think that it was great that it actually showed up."

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/this-time-jordan-westerkamp-sets-up-the-miracle/article_e87153a4-85e1-11e5-b621-e7e9317f4db1.html

Nice work. I remember that now but had forgotten that.

So that pretty much answers the question. We knew the kind of defense they ran in a prevent-type situation and took advantage of it. Good work by our coaches. Poor job by theirs.

Good find on the article and...good coaching.

Why do you have to sh#t on our players by crediting our coaches?

(kidding)

 

[Saunders]

Spoiled by the mich st game. Thinks it's gonna be like that in every 2 minute drill. With your best receiver literally running FREE 30 yards down the field play after play after play after play.

I still dont know what Michigan st was trying to do on that last drive. I'll never understand. I mean, there's prevent, which only prevents you from winning, and then there's what they did. I just dont know.

Yeah, that was bizarre. As I recall, it's not like the safeties were trying to cover two guys or something like that. They just totally failed to have anyone anywhere near our best WR.

It's proof that you can have one of the best defenses in the country and you can still have mistakes and miscommunication. These are college kids not robots.

The other option being that the coach made a terrible decision on what defense should be run and the kids were running what was called.

I thought that TA credited Riley/Langs for have the MSU D scouted perfectly. The basically knew if we ran that formation in that situation that Westy would be wide open.

edited:

Having a good idea of how the Michigan State defense would play it, offensive coordinator Danny Langsdorf said NU formationed to get Westerkamp in the slot to run a particular seam route rather than throwing toward the sidelines.




“Westy had a good feel of that route all week, and we felt they were a little vulnerable in the middle,” Langsdorf said.

“We knew they were going to kind of go with those three high safeties,” Armstrong said. “We kind of played it smart by watching film, watching certain plays that other guys ran on them in certain situations. I think that it was great that it actually showed up."

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/this-time-jordan-westerkamp-sets-up-the-miracle/article_e87153a4-85e1-11e5-b621-e7e9317f4db1.html

Nice work. I remember that now but had forgotten that.

So that pretty much answers the question. We knew the kind of defense they ran in a prevent-type situation and took advantage of it. Good work by our coaches. Poor job by theirs.

Yup, it's also what that Quarter's D is susceptible to. When Sparty played Baylor in the Cotton Bowl, after getting torched in the first half, Narduzzi scrapped the quarters and went with more Cover 2 & Man. IIRC, we moved from almost exclusive quarters to more Cover 3/Cover 2 last year in the last 3rd of the season. It makes sense because it started to coincide with better pass coverage.

 

[Mavric]

Spoiled by the mich st game. Thinks it's gonna be like that in every 2 minute drill. With your best receiver literally running FREE 30 yards down the field play after play after play after play.

I still dont know what Michigan st was trying to do on that last drive. I'll never understand. I mean, there's prevent, which only prevents you from winning, and then there's what they did. I just dont know.

Yeah, that was bizarre. As I recall, it's not like the safeties were trying to cover two guys or something like that. They just totally failed to have anyone anywhere near our best WR.

It's proof that you can have one of the best defenses in the country and you can still have mistakes and miscommunication. These are college kids not robots.

The other option being that the coach made a terrible decision on what defense should be run and the kids were running what was called.

I thought that TA credited Riley/Langs for have the MSU D scouted perfectly. The basically knew if we ran that formation in that situation that Westy would be wide open.

edited:

Having a good idea of how the Michigan State defense would play it, offensive coordinator Danny Langsdorf said NU formationed to get Westerkamp in the slot to run a particular seam route rather than throwing toward the sidelines.




“Westy had a good feel of that route all week, and we felt they were a little vulnerable in the middle,” Langsdorf said.

“We knew they were going to kind of go with those three high safeties,” Armstrong said. “We kind of played it smart by watching film, watching certain plays that other guys ran on them in certain situations. I think that it was great that it actually showed up."

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/this-time-jordan-westerkamp-sets-up-the-miracle/article_e87153a4-85e1-11e5-b621-e7e9317f4db1.html

Nice work. I remember that now but had forgotten that.

So that pretty much answers the question. We knew the kind of defense they ran in a prevent-type situation and took advantage of it. Good work by our coaches. Poor job by theirs.

Yup, it's also what that Quarter's D is susceptible to. When Sparty played Baylor in the Cotton Bowl, after getting torched in the first half, Narduzzi scrapped the quarters and went with more Cover 2 & Man. IIRC, we moved from almost exclusive quarters to more Cover 3/Cover 2 last year in the last 3rd of the season. It makes sense because it started to coincide with better pass coverage.

Yeah, we definitely ran more Cover 2 look later in the year but we were still primarily running Quarters.

Our pass coverage was marginally better but most of the "improvement" had to do with playing bad passing offenses and in bad weather.

 

[GBRFAN]

Looking forward to having a stronger defense this year!!! be interesting to hear where the improvement comes from.... Players will be more intune with the system and should have some confidence after the way the last season ended!!

 

[BigRedBuster]

Question on the QB deal.

So, Armstrong is our starter with Fyfe the backup.

Darlington is the special teams holder and emergency QB.

So.......why isn't Fyfe the emergency QB?

 

[ZRod]

Question on the QB deal.

So, Armstrong is our starter with Fyfe the backup.

Darlington is the special teams holder and emergency QB.

So.......why isn't Fyfe the emergency QB?

You mean for ST?

 

[RedDenver]

Question on the QB deal.

So, Armstrong is our starter with Fyfe the backup.

Darlington is the special teams holder and emergency QB.

So.......why isn't Fyfe the emergency QB?

The emergency QB is simply to keep POB's redshirt intact. So both TA and Fyfe would have to be unavailable for ZD to go in as the emergency QB.