****Fall Camp Twitter Thread**** aka the RG44 love fest

If it's so difficult, I suppose we could just copy Norm Parker and play cover 2 all game long. We probably won't have huge 40+ yard busts, but we'll get dinked and gashed all game long by teams with any speed.

Bo's "system" is extremely similar to Nick Saban's defense. Both use a 2 gap and a pattern matching zone/m2m in the secondary, except Saban uses a 3-4 base (for disguising pressure) instead of a 4-3. The biggest difference is that Saban has better athletes. That's what it takes to run this type of D, quick feet and route recognition.

 
RedDenver said:
Mr. Accountability said:
Again comparing Ruud's ONE season under Bo, when he was a first time DC (at any level I might add) and taking over a defense with a new mentality and new scheme is not nearly the same amount of complication as what's being implemented now, or even in the past season or two-in Bo's 4th-6th years as a HC and having now a decade of college coordinator experience coming in 3 different conferences. With all due respect, common sense says it's they're even in the same realm when it comes to complication. I do respect Barret's opinion of course.
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So you think Bo has changed his defense since 2003 and that it's more complicated to learn now than it was in 2003. Your argument is that Bo is older and more experienced so his defense is more complicated because that's just common sense. Do you have anything to back that up? By extension then, shouldn't every defensive scheme get more complicated as the coordinators get older?
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I'd say he's changed the defense quite a bit from 2003. No way we go from 32 interceptions to where we are today without a shift in philosophy. Even 2009, one of the best defenses I've seen in a long time - only managed to generate about 60% of that, with similar talent in the backfield going up against the pass happy Big 12 spread offenses.

 
Another little tidbit I remember vividly and I think it was after the Texas A&M game of 2003. It was another great performance by the D. Multiple takeaways. One of the players commented after the game about how much simpler Bo's defense was than Bohl's the previous season. They were having to do a lot less thinking and just more reacting a flyin around, and that it was much more fun to play in. Pretty sure it was Ruud, or even maybe DeMarrio Williams. One of the linebackers.

Also, after reading Knapps comment, I never thought of it that way, and would bet that that is an even bigger factor in Barret not thinking Bo's was very complicated. He's spent the last near-decade learning defenses (multiple ones) as a job. At first you think Algebra is difficult, then you move on to calculus and all a sudden algebra aint so bad anymore.

 
Mr. Accountability said:
Well. His defenses in 2010 were much more complicated than in 2009. That is fact. What do I have to back that up? Bo's word. He said as much on the radio after a 2010 game.

How would it not be more complicated as time goes by? The more you coach, the more you learn in develop. That's the common sense part. So was Nick Saban's 1996 Michigan St defense more complicated than Alabama's 2012 version?

All I'm saying is that if you compared the two subjectively, Bo's currents schemes would be more complicated than those of 2003, as a first time DC at new job.
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Well, that's technically an opinion since "more complicated" is a qualifier. But I'm just being pedantic since I know what you mean. I hadn't heard Bo ever say one year was more complicated than another. But even if that's true, your argument that experience=more complex doesn't make sense. What if every year a coach learned that simplifying his scheme was better? Maybe as a first time DC Bo was excited to put in everything he'd ever thought of, and now has removed some of that. Bo's defense could be more complex now, but this argument just doesn't help to support that.

Mr. Accountability said:
Another little tidbit I remember vividly and I think it was after the Texas A&M game of 2003. It was another great performance by the D. Multiple takeaways. One of the players commented after the game about how much simpler Bo's defense was than Bohl's the previous season. They were having to do a lot less thinking and just more reacting a flyin around, and that it was much more fun to play in. Pretty sure it was Ruud, or even maybe DeMarrio Williams. One of the linebackers.

Also, after reading Knapps comment, I never thought of it that way, and would bet that that is an even bigger factor in Barret not thinking Bo's was very complicated. He's spent the last near-decade learning defenses (multiple ones) as a job. At first you think Algebra is difficult, then you move on to calculus and all a sudden algebra aint so bad anymore.
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That's a good argument against Ruud's comments. But there really haven't been any points made in this thread that convince me the defense is "too complex". I don't think it's simple either - I'm not convinced either way.

But I've helped hijack this thread long enough. We can continue this in another thread if you'd like. Back to camp updates!

 
RedDenver said:
Mr. Accountability said:
Well. His defenses in 2010 were much more complicated than in 2009. That is fact. What do I have to back that up? Bo's word. He said as much on the radio after a 2010 game.

How would it not be more complicated as time goes by? The more you coach, the more you learn in develop. That's the common sense part. So was Nick Saban's 1996 Michigan St defense more complicated than Alabama's 2012 version?

All I'm saying is that if you compared the two subjectively, Bo's currents schemes would be more complicated than those of 2003, as a first time DC at new job.
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Well, that's technically an opinion since "more complicated" is a qualifier. But I'm just being pedantic since I know what you mean. I hadn't heard Bo ever say one year was more complicated than another. But even if that's true, your argument that experience=more complex doesn't make sense. What if every year a coach learned that simplifying his scheme was better? Maybe as a first time DC Bo was excited to put in everything he'd ever thought of, and now has removed some of that. Bo's defense could be more complex now, but this argument just doesn't help to support that.

Mr. Accountability said:
Another little tidbit I remember vividly and I think it was after the Texas A&M game of 2003. It was another great performance by the D. Multiple takeaways. One of the players commented after the game about how much simpler Bo's defense was than Bohl's the previous season. They were having to do a lot less thinking and just more reacting a flyin around, and that it was much more fun to play in. Pretty sure it was Ruud, or even maybe DeMarrio Williams. One of the linebackers.

Also, after reading Knapps comment, I never thought of it that way, and would bet that that is an even bigger factor in Barret not thinking Bo's was very complicated. He's spent the last near-decade learning defenses (multiple ones) as a job. At first you think Algebra is difficult, then you move on to calculus and all a sudden algebra aint so bad anymore.
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That's a good argument against Ruud's comments. But there really haven't been any points made in this thread that convince me the defense is "too complex". I don't think it's simple either - I'm not convinced either way.

But I've helped hijack this thread long enough. We can continue this in another thread if you'd like. Back to camp updates!
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Luckily the point of this conversation isn't to convince you of anything.
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RedDenver said:
That's a good argument against Ruud's comments. But there really haven't been any points made in this thread that convince me the defense is "too complex". I don't think it's simple either - I'm not convinced either way.

But I've helped hijack this thread long enough. We can continue this in another thread if you'd like. Back to camp updates!
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Okay. Here's where we're on the same page. I dont think it's "too" complicated either. I never have. Is it complex? Yes. I believe so. But i dont believe that it's "too" complex. We've had good enough defenses here under Bo to conclude that the complexity is not what's holding it back.

I was simply commenting that Ruud saying the 2003 version wasnt too complicated and using that to relate to the defense nearly 10 years later. And then showed my reasoning on how Bo's schemes and systems couldve easily evolved over a 10 year span of managing defenses in 3 different conferences.

Nice talk.

 
^^^ some pretty damn good videos on that link I just posted. Just watched Ameer's interview, and a couple of comments stuck out to me. Cross as of right now is the #2 RB from the sounds of it. Ameer was really high on him.

Also, Deinhart asked Ameer if there were any defenders this year that he's scared of. Here' kind of a paraphrase of his response: "No sir, no sir. I mean, they're a very intimidating bunch, better than there has been in the past, but I ain't scared of nobody."

 
RedDenver said:
That's a good argument against Ruud's comments. But there really haven't been any points made in this thread that convince me the defense is "too complex". I don't think it's simple either - I'm not convinced either way.

But I've helped hijack this thread long enough. We can continue this in another thread if you'd like. Back to camp updates!
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You can choose to take Ruud's comments from 2003, or Blake Lawrence's comments from last year. One is based on a defense put together over a decade ago - the other is from one of the smartest kids to go through the football program in that last decade.

 
Damon Benning giving the D praise? Alright, now I'm on board, let's do this sh#t.

 
knapplc said:
ADS said:
Damon Benning giving the D praise? Alright, now I'm on board, let's do this sh#t.
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I want to believe. But we've had sunshine and kool-aid from these media types in recent years, too.
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True, but I've got the impression from Damon that he isn't a sunshine pumper or a doomsday type. He seems to tell it like it is, a real straight shooter.

 
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