FG versus 4th and 1 Pass Play

[NUance]

Ah, here we go. Can always count on BigWillie for some on point stuff. Thanks, BW. Here we have the screen, so we know we weren't crazy about the underneath stuff.

BLAME LANGSDORF! FIRE FIRE FIRE!

Two guys WIDE open running routes. Tommy goes with the lowest percentage throw of any on this play. (...)

Serves as a reminder that when a play is called, it's not exactly as if the QB is told where to throw it. Heck, that route could just be there to clear out some safeties from the underneath stuff. And in fairness, a 1-vs-1 deep shot for a touchdown is a pretty reasonable shot to take when you identify the matchup ... WHEN IT'S NOT FOURTH DOWN AND ONE. Awareness. That's what it comes down to.

Seriously. Tommy will fix this when he is forced to. And Nebraska will replace him at the first opportunity when they are able to, if he can't. But for all our sake, we have to acknowledge that Tommy fixing it is the best scenario. Players improve. Root for that outcome.

Awareness is right. Two wide open first down receivers right there. WIDE OPEN! And Tommy is already locked onto the guy in tight coverage in the endzone. How could he not see that?

I'm hoping Tommy improves. You'd think that he would be spending a lot of time in the film room and with Langsdorf so that he'd get better at seeing stuff like this on the field. But I have my doubts that this will happen.

 

[cm husker]

Ah, here we go. Can always count on BigWillie for some on point stuff. Thanks, BW. Here we have the screen, so we know we weren't crazy about the underneath stuff.

BLAME LANGSDORF! FIRE FIRE FIRE!

Two guys WIDE open running routes. Tommy goes with the lowest percentage throw of any on this play. (...)

Serves as a reminder that when a play is called, it's not exactly as if the QB is told where to throw it. Heck, that route could just be there to clear out some safeties from the underneath stuff. And in fairness, a 1-vs-1 deep shot for a touchdown is a pretty reasonable shot to take when you identify the matchup ... WHEN IT'S NOT FOURTH DOWN AND ONE. Awareness. That's what it comes down to.

Seriously. Tommy will fix this when he is forced to. And Nebraska will replace him at the first opportunity when they are able to, if he can't. But for all our sake, we have to acknowledge that Tommy fixing it is the best scenario. Players improve. Root for that outcome.

Awareness is right. Two wide open first down receivers right there. WIDE OPEN! And Tommy is already locked onto the guy in tight coverage in the endzone. How could he not see that?

I'm hoping Tommy improves. You'd think that he would be spending a lot of time in the film room and with Langsdorf so that he'd get better at seeing stuff like this on the field. But I have my doubts that this will happen.

People keep saying these guys were wide open, but there were defenders just off the screen, the coverage was rolled over there and if the QBs eyes are there, the DBs are jumping those routes. It's not clear to me that the DE or a DB couldn't have made a play on those supposedly wide open options.

Armstrong made the correct read in a WCO play. Go to the single, press covered WR. That's the correct read.

You can argue that he made the wrong decision in that situation, but read it correctly.

That sums up why the WCO is so difficult on college QBs.

My issue is that the coaches called a play where Armstrong could make the right read but that correct read would still dictate a wrong decision.

 

[Red Five]

I think the field goal was the right call.

Correct. You need 11 points. Doesn't matter what order you get them in. 3+8 or 8+3.

 

[ColoradoHusk]

I actually didn't think going for it was a terrible call. It's 4th and 1, and that might have been the closest NU got to scoring a TD in that situation. However, if Langsahan is going to call a pass play, he has to tell Armstrong where his first read is (Carter).

 

[zoogs]

I'd be a little stunned if that route in this situation is actually the first read on the play. Your junior QB with that many starts under his belt should know that it's 4th and 1.

 

[cm husker]

I'd be a little stunned if that route in this situation is actually the first read on the play. Your junior QB with that many starts under his belt should know that it's 4th and 1.

That many starts? This was his 12th start in the new system. Based on his presnap reads and the 0 coverage, that was his first read on that play. How many times do you think he's been told to take advantage of that coverage?

Don't call a play where your QB can make a correct read and still have that be the wrong decision.

Why not go back to the plays that were used in the first quarter where he picked up some short yard conversion with his legs on designed runs?

 

[ColoradoHusk]

I'd be a little stunned if that route in this situation is actually the first read on the play. Your junior QB with that many starts under his belt should know that it's 4th and 1.

That many starts? This was his 12th start in the new system. Based on his presnap reads and the 0 coverage, that was his first read on that play. How many times do you think he's been told to take advantage of that coverage?

Don't call a play where your QB can make a correct read and still have that be the wrong decision.

Why not go back to the plays that were used in the first quarter where he picked up some short yard conversion with his legs on designed runs?

IIRC, Langsahan's offense is predicated on reading pass routes deep to short. Armstrong read the deep route first, and it was there based on the 1 on 1 coverage. Yes, that is a very low % pass, and Langsahan should have instructed TA to go with the pass to Carter, as his first read.

 

[NUance]

Ah, here we go. Can always count on BigWillie for some on point stuff. Thanks, BW. Here we have the screen, so we know we weren't crazy about the underneath stuff.

BLAME LANGSDORF! FIRE FIRE FIRE!

Two guys WIDE open running routes. Tommy goes with the lowest percentage throw of any on this play. (...)

Serves as a reminder that when a play is called, it's not exactly as if the QB is told where to throw it. Heck, that route could just be there to clear out some safeties from the underneath stuff. And in fairness, a 1-vs-1 deep shot for a touchdown is a pretty reasonable shot to take when you identify the matchup ... WHEN IT'S NOT FOURTH DOWN AND ONE. Awareness. That's what it comes down to.

Seriously. Tommy will fix this when he is forced to. And Nebraska will replace him at the first opportunity when they are able to, if he can't. But for all our sake, we have to acknowledge that Tommy fixing it is the best scenario. Players improve. Root for that outcome.

Awareness is right. Two wide open first down receivers right there. WIDE OPEN! And Tommy is already locked onto the guy in tight coverage in the endzone. How could he not see that?

I'm hoping Tommy improves. You'd think that he would be spending a lot of time in the film room and with Langsdorf so that he'd get better at seeing stuff like this on the field. But I have my doubts that this will happen.

People keep saying these guys were wide open, but there were defenders just off the screen, the coverage was rolled over there and if the QBs eyes are there, the DBs are jumping those routes. It's not clear to me that the DE or a DB couldn't have made a play on those supposedly wide open options.

Armstrong made the correct read in a WCO play. Go to the single, press covered WR. That's the correct read.

You can argue that he made the wrong decision in that situation, but read it correctly.

That sums up why the WCO is so difficult on college QBs.

My issue is that the coaches called a play where Armstrong could make the right read but that correct read would still dictate a wrong decision.

Really? If I recall correctly Cethan Carter looked mighty lonely out there. Let's take a look. LINK

 

[cm husker]

Ah, here we go. Can always count on BigWillie for some on point stuff. Thanks, BW. Here we have the screen, so we know we weren't crazy about the underneath stuff.

BLAME LANGSDORF! FIRE FIRE FIRE!

Two guys WIDE open running routes. Tommy goes with the lowest percentage throw of any on this play. (...)

Serves as a reminder that when a play is called, it's not exactly as if the QB is told where to throw it. Heck, that route could just be there to clear out some safeties from the underneath stuff. And in fairness, a 1-vs-1 deep shot for a touchdown is a pretty reasonable shot to take when you identify the matchup ... WHEN IT'S NOT FOURTH DOWN AND ONE. Awareness. That's what it comes down to.

Seriously. Tommy will fix this when he is forced to. And Nebraska will replace him at the first opportunity when they are able to, if he can't. But for all our sake, we have to acknowledge that Tommy fixing it is the best scenario. Players improve. Root for that outcome.

Awareness is right. Two wide open first down receivers right there. WIDE OPEN! And Tommy is already locked onto the guy in tight coverage in the endzone. How could he not see that?

I'm hoping Tommy improves. You'd think that he would be spending a lot of time in the film room and with Langsdorf so that he'd get better at seeing stuff like this on the field. But I have my doubts that this will happen.

People keep saying these guys were wide open, but there were defenders just off the screen, the coverage was rolled over there and if the QBs eyes are there, the DBs are jumping those routes. It's not clear to me that the DE or a DB couldn't have made a play on those supposedly wide open options.

Armstrong made the correct read in a WCO play. Go to the single, press covered WR. That's the correct read.

You can argue that he made the wrong decision in that situation, but read it correctly.

That sums up why the WCO is so difficult on college QBs.

My issue is that the coaches called a play where Armstrong could make the right read but that correct read would still dictate a wrong decision.

Really? If I recall correctly Cethan Carter looked mighty lonely out there. Let's take a look. LINK

Ah, here we go. Can always count on BigWillie for some on point stuff. Thanks, BW. Here we have the screen, so we know we weren't crazy about the underneath stuff.

BLAME LANGSDORF! FIRE FIRE FIRE!

Two guys WIDE open running routes. Tommy goes with the lowest percentage throw of any on this play. (...)

Serves as a reminder that when a play is called, it's not exactly as if the QB is told where to throw it. Heck, that route could just be there to clear out some safeties from the underneath stuff. And in fairness, a 1-vs-1 deep shot for a touchdown is a pretty reasonable shot to take when you identify the matchup ... WHEN IT'S NOT FOURTH DOWN AND ONE. Awareness. That's what it comes down to.

Seriously. Tommy will fix this when he is forced to. And Nebraska will replace him at the first opportunity when they are able to, if he can't. But for all our sake, we have to acknowledge that Tommy fixing it is the best scenario. Players improve. Root for that outcome.

Awareness is right. Two wide open first down receivers right there. WIDE OPEN! And Tommy is already locked onto the guy in tight coverage in the endzone. How could he not see that?

I'm hoping Tommy improves. You'd think that he would be spending a lot of time in the film room and with Langsdorf so that he'd get better at seeing stuff like this on the field. But I have my doubts that this will happen.

People keep saying these guys were wide open, but there were defenders just off the screen, the coverage was rolled over there and if the QBs eyes are there, the DBs are jumping those routes. It's not clear to me that the DE or a DB couldn't have made a play on those supposedly wide open options.

Armstrong made the correct read in a WCO play. Go to the single, press covered WR. That's the correct read.

You can argue that he made the wrong decision in that situation, but read it correctly.

That sums up why the WCO is so difficult on college QBs.

My issue is that the coaches called a play where Armstrong could make the right read but that correct read would still dictate a wrong decision.

Really? If I recall correctly Cethan Carter looked mighty lonely out there. Let's take a look. LINK

You need to look at the whole play. You can't see it in that vine. That's why it's inaccurate, as I noted.

He looks that open because the DBs are looking at the QB who is looking right at his correct first read based on the zero coverage. If Armstrong had immediately looked left at that bunch, the DBs would have flowed there and who knows if the pass is completed. DE was also in position to make a play.

It was stupid not to run Armstrong on the edge, anyway, which is what he'd had success doing.

The sequence is available on watchespn if you want to go back and look. You'll also see a completely awful and unimaginative run play on 3rd and 1.

 

[NUance]

Ah, here we go. Can always count on BigWillie for some on point stuff. Thanks, BW. Here we have the screen, so we know we weren't crazy about the underneath stuff.

BLAME LANGSDORF! FIRE FIRE FIRE!

Two guys WIDE open running routes. Tommy goes with the lowest percentage throw of any on this play. (...)

Serves as a reminder that when a play is called, it's not exactly as if the QB is told where to throw it. Heck, that route could just be there to clear out some safeties from the underneath stuff. And in fairness, a 1-vs-1 deep shot for a touchdown is a pretty reasonable shot to take when you identify the matchup ... WHEN IT'S NOT FOURTH DOWN AND ONE. Awareness. That's what it comes down to.

Seriously. Tommy will fix this when he is forced to. And Nebraska will replace him at the first opportunity when they are able to, if he can't. But for all our sake, we have to acknowledge that Tommy fixing it is the best scenario. Players improve. Root for that outcome.

Awareness is right. Two wide open first down receivers right there. WIDE OPEN! And Tommy is already locked onto the guy in tight coverage in the endzone. How could he not see that?

I'm hoping Tommy improves. You'd think that he would be spending a lot of time in the film room and with Langsdorf so that he'd get better at seeing stuff like this on the field. But I have my doubts that this will happen.

People keep saying these guys were wide open, but there were defenders just off the screen, the coverage was rolled over there and if the QBs eyes are there, the DBs are jumping those routes. It's not clear to me that the DE or a DB couldn't have made a play on those supposedly wide open options.

Armstrong made the correct read in a WCO play. Go to the single, press covered WR. That's the correct read.

You can argue that he made the wrong decision in that situation, but read it correctly.

That sums up why the WCO is so difficult on college QBs.

My issue is that the coaches called a play where Armstrong could make the right read but that correct read would still dictate a wrong decision.

Really? If I recall correctly Cethan Carter looked mighty lonely out there. Let's take a look. LINK

You need to look at the whole play. You can't see it in that vine. That's why it's inaccurate, as I noted.

He looks that open because the DBs are looking at the QB who is looking right at his correct first read based on the zero coverage. If Armstrong had immediately looked left at that bunch, the DBs would have flowed there and who knows if the pass is completed. DE was also in position to make a play.

It was stupid not to run Armstrong on the edge, anyway, which is what he'd had success doing.

The sequence is available on watchespn if you want to go back and look. You'll also see a completely awful and unimaginative run play on 3rd and 1.

Are you serious that you think Cethan wasn't open on that play? LOL! If that's not wide open then it's a miracle than any QB can ever throw a pass. How much separation does a QB need before he can throw the ball?

You'll also see a completely awful and unimaginative run play on 3rd and 1.

Third and short yardage situation and they went with Imani Cross inside, didn't they? So I guess what you're saying is that passing is bad. So Langsdorf should call running plays--but only running plays that work. Gotchya!

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[huskerfan2000]

Single dumbest play Riley/Langsdorf has ever called!

I will agree, just because you freeze frame at that split second and find a guy wide open doesn't mean the defense was not moving to close in, nor does it mean they wouldn't have gotten there in time to break up the play. That said, I have not seen the whole play.

You kick the field goal when you are down by 2 scores. if we were5 points down, then I understand the decision to go for it, but when you are down by more than 7 and you have plenty of time, which we did, you kick the field goal. The field goal with another score would have won the game for us.

 

[huskerfan2000]

Ah, here we go. Can always count on BigWillie for some on point stuff. Thanks, BW. Here we have the screen, so we know we weren't crazy about the underneath stuff.

BLAME LANGSDORF! FIRE FIRE FIRE!

Two guys WIDE open running routes. Tommy goes with the lowest percentage throw of any on this play. (...)

Serves as a reminder that when a play is called, it's not exactly as if the QB is told where to throw it. Heck, that route could just be there to clear out some safeties from the underneath stuff. And in fairness, a 1-vs-1 deep shot for a touchdown is a pretty reasonable shot to take when you identify the matchup ... WHEN IT'S NOT FOURTH DOWN AND ONE. Awareness. That's what it comes down to.

Seriously. Tommy will fix this when he is forced to. And Nebraska will replace him at the first opportunity when they are able to, if he can't. But for all our sake, we have to acknowledge that Tommy fixing it is the best scenario. Players improve. Root for that outcome.

Awareness is right. Two wide open first down receivers right there. WIDE OPEN! And Tommy is already locked onto the guy in tight coverage in the endzone. How could he not see that?

I'm hoping Tommy improves. You'd think that he would be spending a lot of time in the film room and with Langsdorf so that he'd get better at seeing stuff like this on the field. But I have my doubts that this will happen.

People keep saying these guys were wide open, but there were defenders just off the screen, the coverage was rolled over there and if the QBs eyes are there, the DBs are jumping those routes. It's not clear to me that the DE or a DB couldn't have made a play on those supposedly wide open options.

Armstrong made the correct read in a WCO play. Go to the single, press covered WR. That's the correct read.

You can argue that he made the wrong decision in that situation, but read it correctly.

That sums up why the WCO is so difficult on college QBs.

My issue is that the coaches called a play where Armstrong could make the right read but that correct read would still dictate a wrong decision.

Really? If I recall correctly Cethan Carter looked mighty lonely out there. Let's take a look. LINK

You need to look at the whole play. You can't see it in that vine. That's why it's inaccurate, as I noted.

He looks that open because the DBs are looking at the QB who is looking right at his correct first read based on the zero coverage. If Armstrong had immediately looked left at that bunch, the DBs would have flowed there and who knows if the pass is completed. DE was also in position to make a play.

It was stupid not to run Armstrong on the edge, anyway, which is what he'd had success doing.

The sequence is available on watchespn if you want to go back and look. You'll also see a completely awful and unimaginative run play on 3rd and 1.

Are you serious that you think Cethan wasn't open on that play? LOL! If that's not wide open then it's a miracle than any QB can ever throw a pass. How much separation does a QB need before he can throw the ball?

You'll also see a completely awful and unimaginative run play on 3rd and 1.

Third and short yardage situation and they went with Imani Cross inside, didn't they? So I guess what you're saying is that passing is bad. So Langsdorf should call running plays--but only running plays that work. Gotchya!

:

Yes, you run a running play that will work for that situation. They knew up the middle was coming so run off tackle, run an option play. Cross looked like he hesitated.

 

[3rd and long]

My guess is the fade route was the primary route if the coverage was one on one. Tommy sees one on one, even in a low percentage situation, and with his gunslinger mentality immediately goes with that throw. He thinks he can make every throw and hit the homerun on every play.

I can't imagine why not simply running Tommy off the edge with both Jano and Imani in front as lead blockers. As long as the line doesn't allow penetration (iffy, I know) it should have given us an advantage in numbers on the edge.

 

[74Hunter]

I'd be a little stunned if that route in this situation is actually the first read on the play. Your junior QB with that many starts under his belt should know that it's 4th and 1.

That many starts? This was his 12th start in the new system. Based on his presnap reads and the 0 coverage, that was his first read on that play. How many times do you think he's been told to take advantage of that coverage?

Don't call a play where your QB can make a correct read and still have that be the wrong decision.

Why not go back to the plays that were used in the first quarter where he picked up some short yard conversion with his legs on designed runs?

IIRC, Langsahan's offense is predicated on reading pass routes deep to short. Armstrong read the deep route first, and it was there based on the 1 on 1 coverage. Yes, that is a very low % pass, and Langsahan should have instructed TA to go with the pass to Carter, as his first read.

From my understanding, if you're going to throw the fade, you have to get that ball out ASAP, you don't have the time to work through progressions.
And we really don't know what play was called. If that in fact was the play call, then, Tommy did the right thing and the call was soooo Langsahan (horrible).

 

[cm husker]

Ah, here we go. Can always count on BigWillie for some on point stuff. Thanks, BW. Here we have the screen, so we know we weren't crazy about the underneath stuff.

BLAME LANGSDORF! FIRE FIRE FIRE!

Two guys WIDE open running routes. Tommy goes with the lowest percentage throw of any on this play. (...)

Serves as a reminder that when a play is called, it's not exactly as if the QB is told where to throw it. Heck, that route could just be there to clear out some safeties from the underneath stuff. And in fairness, a 1-vs-1 deep shot for a touchdown is a pretty reasonable shot to take when you identify the matchup ... WHEN IT'S NOT FOURTH DOWN AND ONE. Awareness. That's what it comes down to.

Seriously. Tommy will fix this when he is forced to. And Nebraska will replace him at the first opportunity when they are able to, if he can't. But for all our sake, we have to acknowledge that Tommy fixing it is the best scenario. Players improve. Root for that outcome.

Awareness is right. Two wide open first down receivers right there. WIDE OPEN! And Tommy is already locked onto the guy in tight coverage in the endzone. How could he not see that?

I'm hoping Tommy improves. You'd think that he would be spending a lot of time in the film room and with Langsdorf so that he'd get better at seeing stuff like this on the field. But I have my doubts that this will happen.

People keep saying these guys were wide open, but there were defenders just off the screen, the coverage was rolled over there and if the QBs eyes are there, the DBs are jumping those routes. It's not clear to me that the DE or a DB couldn't have made a play on those supposedly wide open options.

Armstrong made the correct read in a WCO play. Go to the single, press covered WR. That's the correct read.

You can argue that he made the wrong decision in that situation, but read it correctly.

That sums up why the WCO is so difficult on college QBs.

My issue is that the coaches called a play where Armstrong could make the right read but that correct read would still dictate a wrong decision.

Really? If I recall correctly Cethan Carter looked mighty lonely out there. Let's take a look. LINK

You need to look at the whole play. You can't see it in that vine. That's why it's inaccurate, as I noted.

He looks that open because the DBs are looking at the QB who is looking right at his correct first read based on the zero coverage. If Armstrong had immediately looked left at that bunch, the DBs would have flowed there and who knows if the pass is completed. DE was also in position to make a play.

It was stupid not to run Armstrong on the edge, anyway, which is what he'd had success doing.

The sequence is available on watchespn if you want to go back and look. You'll also see a completely awful and unimaginative run play on 3rd and 1.

Are you serious that you think Cethan wasn't open on that play? LOL! If that's not wide open then it's a miracle than any QB can ever throw a pass. How much separation does a QB need before he can throw the ball?

You'll also see a completely awful and unimaginative run play on 3rd and 1.

Third and short yardage situation and they went with Imani Cross inside, didn't they? So I guess what you're saying is that passing is bad. So Langsdorf should call running plays--but only running plays that work. Gotchya!

:

Have you watched the plays? Seriously, have you gone back and watched them?

The 3rd and 1 play design was atrocious. It was basically a pseudo man blocking play where they actually moved Jano out of the whole (I guess to "confuse" a LB read?). They were practically in an old school pro set and just ran a straight dive against 4 defenders with 3 offensive players at the point of attack.

As to the Armstrong play, you're still not getting what it means to make a presnap read and go to the receiver that you've been told over and over to throw to in that situation. Even the WR knew to convert his hitch to a fade against that look. That's exactly what TA did when he read 0 coverage and went to the press manned corner.

It's not like he looked at Cethan and then checked over to Reilly. He went with his first read, which is the correct read but the wrong decision.

The real wrong decision was calling a play where if the D showed a certain coverage, TA's "correct" read would lead to the wrong pass.

This is why the best OCs in college football reduce options and reads. They KISS... that's what they do at Baylor. It's what TO did when he ran the option. A correct read would never be the wrong play in those offenses. But it can be in the WC system that Riley and Langs are calling.