Fire gilmore now...

[HUSKER FREAK]

Was Gilmore out there dropping passes? Hmm...must have missed that...

A wr coach being held responsible because his wrs drop balls all over the place? Nah.....just blame the players.

It worked for Coz, Callahan, Bohl, etc...

Alright...your receiver just dropped a pass that hit him squarely in the hands and there was no one within 10 yards of him. Go coach him up. What would you do?

The receivers were in the right place constantly throughout the game. The routes were run pretty well. Blocking from them has been pretty good. The receiver has to catch the ball...that's on him. There's only so much a coach can do in that situation.

I'd agree, it's on the coaches if the receivers are out there every week dropping numerous balls, but that's really not happening.

It's not? Really? The routes havn't been all that great this season either. As far as Paul he doesn't run with any vision either. He is fast but even on returns he runs into tackles, and has no balance he gets tapped in the foot or leg even a little and he is down every time. I think the real reason why his job should be in question is why wouldn't you at least try to pull him out and try someone else. What is wrong with Marlowe, can he not catch? or Enunwa or Stanley Jean Baptiste. I know they all don't know the offense, but really? you can't put them in and say run this route? This is Div. 1 football right? They are talented atheletes right? I would hope they could figure this out.

 

[broganreynik]

Was Gilmore out there dropping passes? Hmm...must have missed that...

A wr coach being held responsible because his wrs drop balls all over the place? Nah.....just blame the players.

It worked for Coz, Callahan, Bohl, etc...

Alright...your receiver just dropped a pass that hit him squarely in the hands and there was no one within 10 yards of him. Go coach him up. What would you do?

The receivers were in the right place constantly throughout the game. The routes were run pretty well. Blocking from them has been pretty good. The receiver has to catch the ball...that's on him. There's only so much a coach can do in that situation.

I'd agree, it's on the coaches if the receivers are out there every week dropping numerous balls, but that's really not happening.

You do whatever it takes in practice for your receivers to catch the damn ball. I know there are coaches that have players catching freaking tennis balls to get them receiving better. Whatever it takes. Which Gilmore doesn't seem to have apparently.

 

[Chaddyboxer]

So does this mean Beck needs to be fired because Rex can't catch and Helu can't hold on to the ball? We choked today plain and simple. Firings aren't going to change the fact that Texas owns us. I bet we don't lose another game this year, but for some stupid reason we just can't beat Texas.

-I agree with this post. I bet we come out playing with fire and passion come Okie St. We are very impressive on the road and Okie Lite doesn't have a very impressive D. We definitely have a good chance of going undefeated from here on out.

 

[Ratt Mhule]

So does this mean Beck needs to be fired because Rex can't catch and Helu can't hold on to the ball? We choked today plain and simple. Firings aren't going to change the fact that Texas owns us. I bet we don't lose another game this year, but for some stupid reason we just can't beat Texas.

-I agree with this post. I bet we come out playing with fire and passion come Okie St. We are very impressive on the road and Okie Lite doesn't have a very impressive D. We definitely have a good chance of going undefeated from here on out.

And SDSU did? Everyone knows how to stop our offense now thanks to them. Will Muschamp even said they used the same defense SDSU did, two people spying on Martinez the whole game. Every team will do this now, guaranteed. We are going to have top try some diff. plays if we want to be successful.

 

[zoogs]

Nothing to really do with this game; the case against Gilmore really has been years in the making.

 

[Chaddyboxer]

So does this mean Beck needs to be fired because Rex can't catch and Helu can't hold on to the ball? We choked today plain and simple. Firings aren't going to change the fact that Texas owns us. I bet we don't lose another game this year, but for some stupid reason we just can't beat Texas.

-I agree with this post. I bet we come out playing with fire and passion come Okie St. We are very impressive on the road and Okie Lite doesn't have a very impressive D. We definitely have a good chance of going undefeated from here on out.

And SDSU did? Everyone knows how to stop our offense now thanks to them. Will Muschamp even said they used the same defense SDSU did, two people spying on Martinez the whole game. Every team will do this now, guaranteed. We are going to have top try some diff. plays if we want to be successful.

-True...it was evident that there were multiple defenders spying on Martinez....but I like our chances...Watson is going to HAVE TO come up with some different plays other than ones out of the zone read offensive scheme...if receivers start catching footballs...i like our chances.

 

[Chaddyboxer]

Also....if you have two defenders spying on Martinez...that can make it quite difficult to make plays with your feet...period. With Texas's speed, this was a recipe for disaster for Martinez...should've ran some I-formation and passed a bit more. A positive to take from this though, which hasn't been mentioned much, is that our offensive line gave our quaterbacks plenty of time to throw the ball. I liked seeing that b/c in the past, we have had piss poor blocking...

 

[Chaddyboxer]

AAAAND seeing Zac Lee come in and makes some plays and work his a$$ off to get NEB a touchdown....was awesome! I really enjoyed seeing him play and pick himself up after losing the starting job. Amazing character. period.

 

[kansas husker]

every time a game isnt perfect we have a thread "fire such and such coach" which gets kind of old. similar to the so and so sucks who can we still threads in the recruiting forum, but atleast those are kind of comical

 

[sd'sker]

every time a game isnt perfect we have a thread "fire such and such coach" which gets kind of old. similar to the so and so sucks who can we still threads in the recruiting forum, but atleast those are kind of comical

yeah, this loss was bigger than any one coach. people need to place more blame on bo. i love him as our coach, but he can not allow these letdowns if he wants to compete for championships.

 

[blackshirts5115]

I'm sorry but Gilmore and Cotton really have to go. This is getting truly pathetic. As fans, our expectations of the offensive line must be incredibly low! THIS IS NEBRASKA for crying out loud. We are supposed to have the biggest, baddest hog mollies in the nation. There is no intensity in our offensive line and it's sickening. I don't want to hear the excuse of "Texas has a great D-Line. They are just hard to contain". Well that's some bull$*#%. Our offensive line needs to be feared, and it never will be with our sissy-minded coach. There can still be an argument for him to stay as of now, but by the time Qvale, Sirles, Ash, Coffey, Rodriguez, and Moody are older and starting, we need to be dominant, otherwise it's time to go.

Wide Receivers coaching. Do I even need to post anything here? Yeah we get, blocking is important. Why don't we switch Gilmore to Offensive Line coach? It's all he ever cares about. Who are the difference-making receivers in today's game? I see a future hall of famer in Randy Moss whining every time he gets touched, but who cares?! He catches the damn football. The primary thing receivers need to learn is running routes and catching balls. Blocking comes second in their books. Why did we keep him on this staff? Did Bo just not have any good WR coaches in mind for him to bring in? He's not even a good recruiter, and he's the freaking recruiting coordinator. Who did we retain from the Callahan era? Gilmore and Watson (my rant for this fool needing to leave is for another time and place). It's time to get rid of this infection from those dreadful years. Unfortunately, as fiery as Bo may be, I just don't ever see him having the balls to make these much-needed changes.

 

[bshirt]

I'm sorry but Gilmore and Cotton really have to go. This is getting truly pathetic. As fans, our expectations of the offensive line must be incredibly low! THIS IS NEBRASKA for crying out loud. We are supposed to have the biggest, baddest hog mollies in the nation. There is no intensity in our offensive line and it's sickening. I don't want to hear the excuse of "Texas has a great D-Line. They are just hard to contain". Well that's some bull$*#%. Our offensive line needs to be feared, and it never will be with our sissy-minded coach. There can still be an argument for him to stay as of now, but by the time Qvale, Sirles, Ash, Coffey, Rodriguez, and Moody are older and starting, we need to be dominant, otherwise it's time to go.

Wide Receivers coaching. Do I even need to post anything here? Yeah we get, blocking is important. Why don't we switch Gilmore to Offensive Line coach? It's all he ever cares about. Who are the difference-making receivers in today's game? I see a future hall of famer in Randy Moss whining every time he gets touched, but who cares?! He catches the damn football. The primary thing receivers need to learn is running routes and catching balls. Blocking comes second in their books. Why did we keep him on this staff? Did Bo just not have any good WR coaches in mind for him to bring in? He's not even a good recruiter, and he's the freaking recruiting coordinator. Who did we retain from the Callahan era? Gilmore and Watson (my rant for this fool needing to leave is for another time and place). It's time to get rid of this infection from those dreadful years. Unfortunately, as fiery as Bo may be, I just don't ever see him having the balls to make these much-needed changes.

Bo "must" make changes at the year end at latest. We've all been watching this crap for "years" and it's not going to get any better. Just the same old excuses.....used over & over & over. If we must, let's pay for SW's HC job somewhere.

The offense has been a huge disaster for YEARS now when facing any decent to good defense. Forget about the huge scores vs the creampuffs and the endless garbage pts/yds vs the good teams. That crap will never get us where we want. We need to bury the WCO six feet under and walk away.

We need to do something well. No more "jack of all trades & master of none" multiple junk. It could be the Pirate's TT offense, P. Johnson's triple option...."something" that we do well.

 

[JOEY]

What are you talking about, receivers that can't catch the ball are awesome! Catching the ball as a receiver is overrated. :LOLtartar

 

[zoogs]

Not really, some things come down to execution and some things come down to coaching. With Gilmore, it's the coaching that is a problem, and that has little to do, IMO, with the dropped balls today, which were execution issues (or poor preparation issues, which reflects the whole staff and not just Gilmore). Just saying this call for Gilmore's firing should not be seen as a knee-jerk reaction to a couple dropped balls in one game.

We need to do something well. No more "jack of all trades & master of none" multiple junk. It could be the Pirate's TT offense, P. Johnson's triple option...."something" that we do well.

You won't like this bshirt, but we will always be multiple, no matter what we do, whether it's the TT offense or the triple option. Multiple in that you have to be able to hit the defense in many different ways. Even out of the zone read, we are multiple. Any respectable system of offense is going to be multiple.

And yet the irony is, in the eyes of Husker fans who complain about the multiplicity, it will never be multiple enough. Because you hear things like "Why didn't we run the UCLA pistol plays, shovel passes, QB bootlegs. Where were all these different packages?"

The truth is fans want extreme multiplicity. The ability to pick any play out of any formation like you'd do in a Madden game. But in their heads, it is "being really good at one thing," running for example. If we are really good at running there's no reason to suppose we can run any type of running play and put up good stats. Now, since that means we'd be just mediocre at passing, naturally we should be able to run any kind of pass play with equal proficiency - we'd just put up lesser numbers than dedicated passing teams.

That really isn't how it works, though.

 

[bshirt]

Not really, some things come down to execution and some things come down to coaching. With Gilmore, it's the coaching that is a problem, and that has little to do, IMO, with the dropped balls today, which were execution issues (or poor preparation issues, which reflects the whole staff and not just Gilmore). Just saying this call for Gilmore's firing should not be seen as a knee-jerk reaction to a couple dropped balls in one game.

We need to do something well. No more "jack of all trades & master of none" multiple junk. It could be the Pirate's TT offense, P. Johnson's triple option...."something" that we do well.

You won't like this bshirt, but we will always be multiple, no matter what we do, whether it's the TT offense or the triple option. Multiple in that you have to be able to hit the defense in many different ways. Even out of the zone read, we are multiple. Any respectable system of offense is going to be multiple.

And yet the irony is, in the eyes of Husker fans who complain about the multiplicity, it will never be multiple enough. Because you hear things like "Why didn't we run the UCLA pistol plays, shovel passes, QB bootlegs. Where were all these different packages?"

The truth is fans want extreme multiplicity. The ability to pick any play out of any formation like you'd do in a Madden game. But in their heads, it is "being really good at one thing," running for example. If we are really good at running there's no reason to suppose we can run any type of running play and put up good stats. Now, since that means we'd be just mediocre at passing, naturally we should be able to run any kind of pass play with equal proficiency - we'd just put up lesser numbers than dedicated passing teams.

That really isn't how it works, though.

Give me a break zoogies.....you know what I mean.

We've got to strongly "emphasize" something. Then recruit and develop for whatever that is. Then practice, practice and practice it some more. Not 10,000 different things (multiple). Sure, have PA with a "real" power run game or some run option with a heavy air attack but NOT try to do everything imaginable.

I like the direction the offense has been evolving but it's still way, way too half-assed. If we're really going back to a run offense then grab TO & Uncle Milt and lean on them HEAVY constantly for every inside tip they can give. Then apply it fully with no looking back.

Yeah, I know this is a pipe dream under SW but it's "my" dream and I like it. :lol: