First - Time BCS Conference Head Coaches with 9 wins in first five seasons

[BigRedBuster]

Which one of those coaches went through a major conference change during that time frame?

 

[husker_99]

Which one of those coaches went through a major conference change during that time frame?

So what you are saying is that Wisconsin blew us out in the CCG because we changed conferences even though we beat them earlier in the year?

 

[Landlord]

While that is a good list, it pains me that Bo hasn't done more yet. We are start to seeing more first time coaches doing more in less seasons. Either a top ten finish, bcs bowl appearance, or a national title. I would like to see Bo with 1 of those. Unfortunately it also puts more pressure on Bo.

How many of those schools are still maintaining elite or very good status consistently and/or running clean programs??

what do you consider very good? what do you consider clean programs?

I'm not going to try to come up with unnecessarily static definitions when you and everyone else knows exactly what I'm referring to. Let's take a look:

Bob Stoops/Oklahoma - Won a title in his 2nd year, played for a title two other times. Three seasons of 8 or less wins, 10-3 the last two years. A good example of what we're looking for - committed, long-tenured coach with sustained success and staying put because he wants to, but he has shown average seasons as well. Would we want him? Definitely.

Larry Coker - Won a title his first year, played for it his second, and another BCS win his third. Followed by 9-3, 9-3, 7-6 and eventually getting fired. Miami hasn't done a thing since and is in the thick of one of the most damning investigations in NCAA history. Would we want him? No thanks.

Charlie Strong - Needs to be noted he coaches Louisville in the Big East. Went 7-6, 7-6, and 11-2 with a BCS win. Time will tell if that was lightning in a bottle, but history shows it probably wasn't. Husker fans would have been incredibly disappointed going 7-6 in Bo's first two years. Would we want him? Maybe, but probably not.

Will Muschamp - Has coached two years. The difference between Will and Bo to this point is 7-6 versus 9-4, :01 against Texas, and a .500 bowl record compared to Bo's 3-0 at the time. Would we want him? Impossible to tell.

Frank Solich - We all know the story here. He struggled, and his program has struggled ever since. Would we want him? No.

Jimbo Fisher - 10-4, 9-4, 12-2, with some conference championships and a BCS win. Still young, but he's showing great so far. Would we want him? If he wanted to be here, absolutely.

Chip Kelly - Led his teams to a lot of success and a near national championship, but high-tailed it out because he ran a dirty program. Would we want him? Some might, but no. That's not the way we do things here.

Pete Carrol - See above.

Gene Chizik - See above, except after the anomoly of a season with Cam Newton, he couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag. He left Auburn disgraced and the program is below mediocre once again. Would we want him? Nope.

 

[Chaddyboxer]

Better question to ask Husker_99 is........how many of those coaches were FIRST TIME head coaches. = ) You will knock a few off that list.......

 

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Better question to ask Husker_99 is........how many of those coaches were FIRST TIME head coaches. = ) You will knock a few off that list.......

Bingo +1

 

[husker_99]

While that is a good list, it pains me that Bo hasn't done more yet. We are start to seeing more first time coaches doing more in less seasons. Either a top ten finish, bcs bowl appearance, or a national title. I would like to see Bo with 1 of those. Unfortunately it also puts more pressure on Bo.

How many of those schools are still maintaining elite or very good status consistently and/or running clean programs??

what do you consider very good? what do you consider clean programs?

I'm not going to try to come up with unnecessarily static definitions when you and everyone else knows exactly what I'm referring to. Let's take a look:

Bob Stoops/Oklahoma - Won a title in his 2nd year, played for a title two other times. Three seasons of 8 or less wins, 10-3 the last two years. A good example of what we're looking for - committed, long-tenured coach with sustained success and staying put because he wants to. Would we want him? Definitely.

Larry Coker - Won a title his first year, played for it his second, and another BCS win his third. Followed by 9-3, 9-3, 7-6 and eventually getting fired. Miami hasn't done a thing since and is in the thick of one of the most damming investigations in NCAA history. Would we want him? No thanks.

Charlie Strong - Needs to be noted he coaches Louisville in the Big East. Went 7-6, 7-6, and 11-2 with a BCS win. Time will tell if that was lightning in a bottle, but history shows it probably wasn't. Husker fans would have been incredibly disappointed going 7-6 in Bo's first two years. Would we want him? Maybe, but probably not.

Will Muschamp - Has coached two years. The difference between Will and Bo to this point is 7-6 versus 9-4, :01 against Texas, and a .500 bowl record compared to Bo's 3-0 at the time. Would we want him? Impossible to tell.

Frank Solich - We all know the story here. He struggled, and his program has struggled ever since. Would we want him? No.

Jimbo Fisher - 10-4, 9-4, 12-2, with some conference championships and a BCS win. Still young, but he's showing great so far. Would we want him? If he wanted to be here, absolutely.

Chip Kelly - Led his teams to a lot of success and a near national championship, but high-tailed it out because he ran a dirty program. Would we want him? Some might, but no. That's not the way we do things here.

Pete Carrol - See above.

Gene Chizik - See above, except after the anomoly of a season with Cam Newton, he couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag. He left Auburn disgraced and the program is below mediocre once again. Would we want him? Nope.

You know i said first time head coaches right? Pete Carroll and Gene Chizik had previous hc experience. You know i said first time head coaches right? so most of them don't have any experience. Just to say there are starting to be more first time head coaches who have turned a program around and succeeded a higher level than Bo has. That doesn't mean i don't think Bo isn't capable of taking us to a BCS bowl game or national title.

 

[husker_99]

Better question to ask Husker_99 is........how many of those coaches were FIRST TIME head coaches. = ) You will knock a few off that list.......

my list contains nothing but first time head coaches.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Better question to ask Husker_99 is........how many of those coaches were FIRST TIME head coaches. = ) You will knock a few off that list.......

If you are referring to post #14, I believe everyone of those coaches were first time HC.

 

[Count 'Bility]

I prefer being consitent over being a fly-by-night, flash-in-the pants, one-hit-wonder type of program. Even if it does mean just 9-10 wins with few or no championships.

 

[ADS]

Better question to ask Husker_99 is........how many of those coaches were FIRST TIME head coaches. = ) You will knock a few off that list.......

If you are referring to post #14, I believe everyone of those coaches were first time HC.

Yup, looks like Landlord added a few of his own.

 

[Chaddyboxer]

I believe the most successful as first time head coaches........

Meyer is one and Hoke is another I can name of the top of my head.

Muschamp has done a solid job as well....but c'mon it's Florida.........If you can't recruit top level talent there, then you have issues. Bo is doing great with less...I honestly think if we give it a couple more years.....this NEB team may be more of a complete team. A team that can compete with the best of them and go to a few BCS games....I believe this because the past couple recruiting years have been very solid....we'll see how it all pans out.

 

[Landlord]

While that is a good list, it pains me that Bo hasn't done more yet. We are start to seeing more first time coaches doing more in less seasons. Either a top ten finish, bcs bowl appearance, or a national title. I would like to see Bo with 1 of those. Unfortunately it also puts more pressure on Bo.

How many of those schools are still maintaining elite or very good status consistently and/or running clean programs??

what do you consider very good? what do you consider clean programs?

I'm not going to try to come up with unnecessarily static definitions when you and everyone else knows exactly what I'm referring to. Let's take a look:

Bob Stoops/Oklahoma - Won a title in his 2nd year, played for a title two other times. Three seasons of 8 or less wins, 10-3 the last two years. A good example of what we're looking for - committed, long-tenured coach with sustained success and staying put because he wants to. Would we want him? Definitely.

Larry Coker - Won a title his first year, played for it his second, and another BCS win his third. Followed by 9-3, 9-3, 7-6 and eventually getting fired. Miami hasn't done a thing since and is in the thick of one of the most damming investigations in NCAA history. Would we want him? No thanks.

Charlie Strong - Needs to be noted he coaches Louisville in the Big East. Went 7-6, 7-6, and 11-2 with a BCS win. Time will tell if that was lightning in a bottle, but history shows it probably wasn't. Husker fans would have been incredibly disappointed going 7-6 in Bo's first two years. Would we want him? Maybe, but probably not.

Will Muschamp - Has coached two years. The difference between Will and Bo to this point is 7-6 versus 9-4, :01 against Texas, and a .500 bowl record compared to Bo's 3-0 at the time. Would we want him? Impossible to tell.

Frank Solich - We all know the story here. He struggled, and his program has struggled ever since. Would we want him? No.

Jimbo Fisher - 10-4, 9-4, 12-2, with some conference championships and a BCS win. Still young, but he's showing great so far. Would we want him? If he wanted to be here, absolutely.

Chip Kelly - Led his teams to a lot of success and a near national championship, but high-tailed it out because he ran a dirty program. Would we want him? Some might, but no. That's not the way we do things here.

Pete Carrol - See above.

Gene Chizik - See above, except after the anomoly of a season with Cam Newton, he couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag. He left Auburn disgraced and the program is below mediocre once again. Would we want him? Nope.

You know i said first time head coaches right? Pete Carroll and Gene Chizik had previous hc experience. You know i said first time head coaches right? so most of them don't have any experience. Just to say there are starting to be more first time head coaches who have turned a program around and succeeded a higher level than Bo has. That doesn't mean i don't think Bo isn't capable of taking us to a BCS bowl game or national title.

Yes I do know you said that. Yes......I do know you said that..? (Why did you ask that question twice?)

The point is that hindsight changes a lot, and more often than not, makes you think differently. We would all do good to have a little dose of perspective and patience, because 2-3 years of higher success while sacrificing integrity is not what makes a dynasty.

 

[Chaddyboxer]

Better question to ask Husker_99 is........how many of those coaches were FIRST TIME head coaches. = ) You will knock a few off that list.......

If you are referring to post #14, I believe everyone of those coaches were first time HC.

Damn...could've fooled me. Good stuff.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Better question to ask Husker_99 is........how many of those coaches were FIRST TIME head coaches. = ) You will knock a few off that list.......

If you are referring to post #14, I believe everyone of those coaches were first time HC.

Yup, looks like Landlord added a few of his own.

The only one that Landlord added that wasn't a 1st time head coach was Pete Carrol. In which case you COULD make an argument that it was his first college coaching job, I believe.

 

[StPaulHusker]

I believe the most successful as first time head coaches........

Meyer is one and Hoke is another I can name of the top of my head.

Muschamp has done a solid job as well....but c'mon it's Florida.........If you can't recruit top level talent there, then you have issues. Bo is doing great with less...I honestly think if we give it a couple more years.....this NEB team may be more of a complete team. A team that can compete with the best of them and go to a few BCS games....I believe this because the past couple recruiting years have been very solid....we'll see how it all pans out.

No argument about recruiting the talent to Florida, but Ron Zook brought good players in and couldn't coach well enough to get it done. Even Urban Meyer had some difficulties.

I think the jury is still out on Hoke in a big program.