Fox News Scandals

BigRedBuster said:
NM11046 said:
BigRedBuster said:
NM11046 said:
For the record - opinion of one, but one who has been in many situations where I've had to have awkward conversations about awareness, where i've gone to HR and where i've "fought back":

  • Harassment is a power move.
  • Doesn't matter if it's a man and he has muscles or a woman who is 4'8'.
  • Doesn't matter if someone is physically hurt or not.
  • If someone makes you uncomfortable it's wrong. It may not be harassment - but it's wrong and it should be acknowledged.
  • Assume the best in people. If it makes you uncomfortable tell the person. 9/10 they have no idea and will apologetically change their behavior - you're doing them a favor moving forward.
  • Don't be vague in your accusation - be specific. "When you touched my back I felt awkward and I'd prefer that you not do that."
  • Personally I wouldn't take someone telling me I looked "nice today" as harassment, unless they said it while licking their lips or grabbing their crotch.
  • I wouldn't take someone saying "they'd introduce me to someone on a blind date" as harassment - that's just reaching.
  • If you ever felt that bringing up your discomfort in a situation would result in retaliation of any sort that is harassment.
  • If someone is a dope that does not make them a harasser.
  • Men can harass men, women can harass women.
  • Harassment is somewhat similar to porn in that (paraphrasing Jude Potter's words) "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it".
  • If you've been harassed, there is very little doubt what is happening.
  • There is no double standard on men or women being harassers or harassees' - it's one of the few issues that has no sexual preference.
  • Often times odd comments made to you ("want a screw") make you aware of what and how you say things.
  • Shouldn't matter if you are in mixed company or not - inappropriate comments are inappropriate.
  • Number of people of one sex or another in a business organization does not make it more or less likely that you'll be harassed.
I can't get a read on whether some of you are joking around - so, I couldn't not type this out. It's serious and very real.
(apologies - spell check kept changing my harass conjugations - not sure that I caught them all)
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Good post. But, my experience as a man, I would have to disagree with your last bullet point. That might be a different situation as a woman.
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BRB - do you think it was "gang mentality" or that the hiring profile the leadership had, that allowed them to surround themselves with like minded thinkers? And that it continued due to leaderships' lack of discipline that allowed it to continue?
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I don't know if it's just that facility I worked at or the general attitude in the industry. But, nurses (as an over generalization) tend to not get embarrassed about things and they can be very crude. They deal with people's bodies and bodily functions all day long. It lends itself to be an environment where a certain sense of humor exists that wouldn't be appropriate anywhere else.
However, the situations I found myself in were very much a "gang mentality" if that's the way you want to describe it. They basically felt comfortable saying whatever they wanted. Good lord...at one point, there were 18 women in my unit that were pregnant. They would sit around and talk about their pregnancies and their doctor's appointments in great detail like I wasn't even there. One nurse got married and she got a kick out of telling me all about the lingerie she was taking on her honeymoon. (in large part because she knew I was a horny college kid and thought it was funny) Another nurse was married to a farmer and she would talk about meeting her husband in the field for lunch and a nooner. Another was nicknamed Sleaza because she liked sex so much.

I will say, my wife greatly benefited from me working there once we were married and started having kids. I knew a lot more than the average joe.

I feel like I must say, it wasn't something I minded. In fact, when the above situation happened to me, I found it funny too. BUT...it made me think about if I were a different person in a different situation.

My point in all this is that it's not a situation where women are all innocent in the work place and only victims.
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I totally know what you are talking about! This is so true

 
So let me understand this and if I am wrong, please...someone tell me:

1. Bill O'Reilly, over the years, has harassed and abused at least 5 women--that we know about.

2. Fox News has, thus far, paid out at least 15 million to these women.

3. O'Reilly is being fired because advertisers are pulling their ads, not because of his piggish, boorish and woman abuser ways.

4. After being fired, he's going to get 25 million dollars.

I'm literally seething in anger right now. I wish someone would....(I won't finish that thought.)

 
#1 is wrong. There is no proof of that, and it's not our place to act as if it's a fact. Those are allegations.

But yes - he's a piece of sh#t, and the world shouldn't reward people like him with more power and money.

 
Nebfanatic said:
Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
#1 is wrong. There is no proof of that, and it's not our place to act as if it's a fact. Those are allegations.

But yes - he's a piece of sh#t, and the world shouldn't reward people like him with more power and money.
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?? If they paid settlements, it's fact
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If they paid settlements it's to avoid trials and the possibility of having to pay more. Not necessarily admitting guilt.

 
Making Chimichangas said:
BigRedBuster said:
OK...I was wondering how long it would take for this defense to come out. Quite frankly, it took longer than I thought. When you have Roger Ailes and now O'Reilly being accused of sexual harassment. We have a President in office that obviously doesn't have a problem with harassing married women and even thinks his own daughter is a nice piece of a$$.

Obviously, it's liberals fault.

Seriously....what has happened to conservatives when they still support people like this?
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I was at breakfast today with my mom and her husband, and they were talking about Bill O'Reilly being "targeted" by "liberal" groups. I rolled my eyes.

1. I quickly pointed out that Fox News had paid out nearly 15 million to multiple women to settle harassment claims.

2. Fox News wouldn't have paid out the money if there wasn't any truth to the accusations.

3. Bill O'Reilly should have just hired hookers.

That pretty much shut the entire "Bill O'Reilly is a victim of liberal activists" conversation down. LOL.
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Usually don't get involved in political conversations but these thoughts need addressing. First, don't care about Bill O'really, O'Reilly. Now about the $15 million paid out to several women.Companies pay this out to make it go away true or not. They don't want the hassle. Now I will give you a personal experience. I had an employee tell me she was going on vacation, I casually asked where and if she was going with someone, she has grandkids. This woman flipped out, wrote a letter to my boss stating I wanted to sleep with her and I had harassed her. I was called in to explain myself and had it not been for the fact that this conversion took place with her sister present, my company would have been sued. I would have lost my job, put in a position to explain to my wife and family why I got fired and prospective employers. Was not fun. I realize not all claims are like this but it happens far too often. Duke La Cross ring any bells? The news is full of false harassment claims. And it snowballs. Once someone finds out that a company "just paid them to go away" suddenly there's a line. Not trying to be cynical, just wanted to vent. Oh and, I never watched the Factor.

 
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Am I the only one that remembers actually hearing one of his inappropriate phone calls taped (referencing the loofah I think)? Perhaps I'm misremembering?

 
All of this doesn't happen if he wasn't guilty sorry. At this point he did it and to say they are just allegations is niave. The ads were pulled, they paid settlements. This stuff is serious. Not some boy who cried wolf scenario. It may not be proven yet but at this point the writing is on the wall

 
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If it's not proven, he's not guilty. We can all hold our own opinions about the man and his deeds (which, by the way, I totally believe at least some if not all of the allegations made against him are true and I feel fairly confident that he's probably a horrible man), but we can't call that fact. That's the way America works, for better or for worse.

 
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