Freshmen QB comparison

[I am I]

great comparison. but like Crouch himself who said about half way through the season, concerning Martin-ez:

"he is showing great burst, great acceleration. He's certainly faster than me. the only thing we'll have to keep a close eye on, is when he gets into conference play and the players and schemes are faster, smarter. to keep his legs fresh and endure an entire season of B12 football."

well, I guess we should re-examine some of when those stats were accumulated, maybe? I really like Matin-ez for a number of reasons. I hope he shows great growth in the off season to correct his shortcomings. but when he's performing the mental part and winning games that way around week 9, then i'll be impressed even if his stats earned physically start to fall off.

The data is skewed because of the injury in Martinez' fourth conference game. There's a clear drop-off after the injury vs. Missouri. Against K-State he was fine, against Texas he was OK, against Oklahoma State he was fine, against Missouri he was OK, then injured. You can't simply look at the year and say, "Yep, he struggled in conference" because you don't know whether the injury made him struggle or the better competition, or a combination of the two.

Personally, the jury is still out for me. Martinez did some things that made me perk up like no quarterback has since Crouch. He did some things that were the worst things I've seen since... not sure when. He was both very good and very bad. His behavior was open to question as well. I'll welcome him back next year with open arms, confident he'll have matured and improved, but if we have someone better, I'm all for that guy, too.

I was saying more to the fact that crouch was saying, at least my interpretation, was that "yeah he's fast and he's tearing people up. but lets see what he does over the course of a full season before we count him as the next Heisman trophy winner Eric Crouch."

lo and behold, crouch was right: he got hurt and struggled against keeping his legs fresh and staying injury free. I know his stats went down during conference play because he got injured. Crouch was warning against that very thing: how will Martin-ez do when the defenses, schemes, and opponents get tougher?

 

[bball_backer]

Personally, the jury is still out for me. Martinez did some things that made me perk up like no quarterback has since Crouch. He did some things that were the worst things I've seen since... not sure when. He was both very good and very bad. His behavior was open to question as well. I'll welcome him back next year with open arms, confident he'll have matured and improved, but if we have someone better, I'm all for that guy, too.

:yeah

 

[Hujan]

great comparison. but like Crouch himself who said about half way through the season, concerning Martin-ez:

"he is showing great burst, great acceleration. He's certainly faster than me. the only thing we'll have to keep a close eye on, is when he gets into conference play and the players and schemes are faster, smarter. to keep his legs fresh and endure an entire season of B12 football."

well, I guess we should re-examine some of when those stats were accumulated, maybe? I really like Matin-ez for a number of reasons. I hope he shows great growth in the off season to correct his shortcomings. but when he's performing the mental part and winning games that way around week 9, then i'll be impressed even if his stats earned physically start to fall off.

The data is skewed because of the injury in Martinez' fourth conference game. There's a clear drop-off after the injury vs. Missouri. Against K-State he was fine, against Texas he was OK, against Oklahoma State he was fine, against Missouri he was OK, then injured. You can't simply look at the year and say, "Yep, he struggled in conference" because you don't know whether the injury made him struggle or the better competition, or a combination of the two.

 

Personally, the jury is still out for me. Martinez did some things that made me perk up like no quarterback has since Crouch. He did some things that were the worst things I've seen since... not sure when. He was both very good and very bad. His behavior was open to question as well. I'll welcome him back next year with open arms, confident he'll have matured and improved, but if we have someone better, I'm all for that guy, too.

x1,000

 

[kc_husker]

great comparison. but like Crouch himself who said about half way through the season, concerning Martin-ez:

"he is showing great burst, great acceleration. He's certainly faster than me. the only thing we'll have to keep a close eye on, is when he gets into conference play and the players and schemes are faster, smarter. to keep his legs fresh and endure an entire season of B12 football."

well, I guess we should re-examine some of when those stats were accumulated, maybe? I really like Matin-ez for a number of reasons. I hope he shows great growth in the off season to correct his shortcomings. but when he's performing the mental part and winning games that way around week 9, then i'll be impressed even if his stats earned physically start to fall off.

The data is skewed because of the injury in Martinez' fourth conference game. There's a clear drop-off after the injury vs. Missouri. Against K-State he was fine, against Texas he was OK, against Oklahoma State he was fine, against Missouri he was OK, then injured. You can't simply look at the year and say, "Yep, he struggled in conference" because you don't know whether the injury made him struggle or the better competition, or a combination of the two.

Personally, the jury is still out for me. Martinez did some things that made me perk up like no quarterback has since Crouch. He did some things that were the worst things I've seen since... not sure when. He was both very good and very bad. His behavior was open to question as well. I'll welcome him back next year with open arms, confident he'll have matured and improved, but if we have someone better, I'm all for that guy, too.

:yeah :yeah :yeah

 

[girlknowsfootball]

great comparison. but like Crouch himself who said about half way through the season, concerning Martin-ez:

"he is showing great burst, great acceleration. He's certainly faster than me. the only thing we'll have to keep a close eye on, is when he gets into conference play and the players and schemes are faster, smarter. to keep his legs fresh and endure an entire season of B12 football."

well, I guess we should re-examine some of when those stats were accumulated, maybe? I really like Matin-ez for a number of reasons. I hope he shows great growth in the off season to correct his shortcomings. but when he's performing the mental part and winning games that way around week 9, then i'll be impressed even if his stats earned physically start to fall off.

The data is skewed because of the injury in Martinez' fourth conference game. There's a clear drop-off after the injury vs. Missouri. Against K-State he was fine, against Texas he was OK, against Oklahoma State he was fine, against Missouri he was OK, then injured. You can't simply look at the year and say, "Yep, he struggled in conference" because you don't know whether the injury made him struggle or the better competition, or a combination of the two.

Personally, the jury is still out for me. Martinez did some things that made me perk up like no quarterback has since Crouch. He did some things that were the worst things I've seen since... not sure when. He was both very good and very bad. His behavior was open to question as well. I'll welcome him back next year with open arms, confident he'll have matured and improved, but if we have someone better, I'm all for that guy, too.

Crouch didn't have Watson developing his passing skills... Watson has not proved he can develop any quarterback's passing skills to the high level we want to see.

 

[NUance]

This thread makes me wonder, Is Martinez the first freshman QB we've had start at QB at the beginning of a season? Tommie and Eric both got their first starts midway through the season. Have we ever had a true freshman start? If so, it would have to be many decades ago.

 

[knapplc]

This thread makes me wonder, Is Martinez the first freshman QB we've had start at QB at the beginning of a season? Tommie and Eric both got their first starts midway through the season. Have we ever had a true freshman start? If so, it would have to be many decades ago.

Yep, first time ever. I'm surprised you don't remember the hype that surrounded it. It was mentioned several times by the TV guys.

 

[UGAHusker]

This thread makes me wonder, Is Martinez the first freshman QB we've had start at QB at the beginning of a season? Tommie and Eric both got their first starts midway through the season. Have we ever had a true freshman start? If so, it would have to be many decades ago.

Crouch and Martinez had the benefit of redshirt years, Frazier was a true freshman when he finally started.

 

[NUpolo8]

Tmart is a better passing QB then Can "Cheat" Newton, progress can be made and if TMart can make these adjustments then he can only get better. Like I've said a thousand times before you have to adjust the plays to your QBs ability so I'd put most of it in Watson's hands and with that insurance we should all pray things work out.

I strongly disagree with this. I'm sure I'm not the only one. $cam Newton is projected as a first rounder because of his throwing ability in addition to his running skill. If you put Newton's running ability with TMart's throwing ability, you would have Jamal Lord. NOT a first round pick.

Seriously. Cam Newton throws a much better ball than Martinez's shotput.

But you mentioned Jammall Lord. Now I have to go hug my knees in a corner. Good God that guy was terrible.

 

[junior4949]

great comparison. but like Crouch himself who said about half way through the season, concerning Martin-ez:

"he is showing great burst, great acceleration. He's certainly faster than me. the only thing we'll have to keep a close eye on, is when he gets into conference play and the players and schemes are faster, smarter. to keep his legs fresh and endure an entire season of B12 football."

well, I guess we should re-examine some of when those stats were accumulated, maybe? I really like Matin-ez for a number of reasons. I hope he shows great growth in the off season to correct his shortcomings. but when he's performing the mental part and winning games that way around week 9, then i'll be impressed even if his stats earned physically start to fall off.

I think you misunderstood Crouch. In the interview, he said Martinez is faster than he is now. He never said Martinez was faster than he was when he was playing.

 

[Joe_5700]

While we're talking about freshman...

I know size isn't a huge thing for our style of QB at the moment, but Martinez is NOT 6'1" as listed. I saw Carnes today and he is at least 6'1". He looks thicker than when he got here too. I realize it's a little off topic, but these stats tell you that a frosh can make an impact, don't count out ole' Brion.

I've noticed this too. He is not very big at all. Not sure this matters, but the way he's listed, you'd think he was the same size as Crouch. But side by side, I think 2001 Crouch was much bigger than 2010 Martinez.

I stand at exactly 5' 10.5" and Crouch is no more than 1.5 inches taller than me. Does that mean Martinez is sub 6 feet? Like others have said, it doesn't matter. Look what Daniel and Reesing were able to do at the height of little people.

 

[I am I]

great comparison. but like Crouch himself who said about half way through the season, concerning Martin-ez:

"he is showing great burst, great acceleration. He's certainly faster than me. the only thing we'll have to keep a close eye on, is when he gets into conference play and the players and schemes are faster, smarter. to keep his legs fresh and endure an entire season of B12 football."

well, I guess we should re-examine some of when those stats were accumulated, maybe? I really like Matin-ez for a number of reasons. I hope he shows great growth in the off season to correct his shortcomings. but when he's performing the mental part and winning games that way around week 9, then i'll be impressed even if his stats earned physically start to fall off.

I think you misunderstood Crouch. In the interview, he said Martinez is faster than he is now. He never said Martinez was faster than he was when he was playing.

oh for fu#*$ sake. What I am getting at is that crouch understood that u have to play a full season, stay healthy, be relatively as fast in game 12 as u were in game 2. He saw an electric player garnering comparisons to LEGENDS at Nebraska. Even as a "freshman" Martinez was blowing out competiton. What crouch was saying was let's just see if he can stay healthy and fresh through a full season as a running QB. HE DIDNT!!! So we really may not know how much growth he could have had. How legit his stats were against top conference foes, you know, WHEN IT REALLY MATTERS. Basically, comparing Martinez to crouch and Frazier statistically, at this point is a little silly because he got hurt. What if he was healthy and played amazingly? What if he played like crap (which he did)?.

He had a great freshman season, skies the limit. Let's just keep him injury free before we compare him to our greats.

 

[CornKing]

I realize T-magic isn't going to be the next Mike Vick necessarily but, I am going to laugh my Arse off in a few months when all the trash talkers are buying his jersey and jumping back on the t-wagon. The kid did some great things and some bad things. I'm sure he will concentrate on passing mostly on offseason and get a little better. Then the year after work on controlling the game and reading defenses. Then we will all be saying Frazier who? (over exaggeration) He didn't look any more lost than Lee did last year. Give the kid some time he will at the least be a good QB. Like I said Maybe not Hypeman trophy winner but good.

he did good things against bad defenses who were not prepared. he did bad things against good defenses and even bad defenses who had time to study him. also, lee was not 'lost', he had no line to protect him. lee would have been much better at managing a game and sustaining a drive (and so i do not get ripped, i will add the obligatory 'IMO').

Did you watch him make reads in option plays? Lee did the same thing as Taylor A sunbelt Champion. The big difference is Taylor has 3 more years to hopefully improve. Taylor had no O-line either and yes he looked lost against better Ds most of which he was hurt and had his confidence bubble popped. I'm not the leader of the kids fan club or anything but for F**k sake it was his first year on the field of a D-1 school with no competent WRs or O-line. I also have the gut feeling that after a few losses the coaching staff kept him in to build experience for the future knowing he was rattled.

 

[junior4949]

great comparison. but like Crouch himself who said about half way through the season, concerning Martin-ez:

"he is showing great burst, great acceleration. He's certainly faster than me. the only thing we'll have to keep a close eye on, is when he gets into conference play and the players and schemes are faster, smarter. to keep his legs fresh and endure an entire season of B12 football."

well, I guess we should re-examine some of when those stats were accumulated, maybe? I really like Matin-ez for a number of reasons. I hope he shows great growth in the off season to correct his shortcomings. but when he's performing the mental part and winning games that way around week 9, then i'll be impressed even if his stats earned physically start to fall off.

I think you misunderstood Crouch. In the interview, he said Martinez is faster than he is now. He never said Martinez was faster than he was when he was playing.

oh for fu#*$ sake. What I am getting at is that crouch understood that u have to play a full season, stay healthy, be relatively as fast in game 12 as u were in game 2. He saw an electric player garnering comparisons to LEGENDS at Nebraska. Even as a "freshman" Martinez was blowing out competiton. What crouch was saying was let's just see if he can stay healthy and fresh through a full season as a running QB. HE DIDNT!!! So we really may not know how much growth he could have had. How legit his stats were against top conference foes, you know, WHEN IT REALLY MATTERS. Basically, comparing Martinez to crouch and Frazier statistically, at this point is a little silly because he got hurt. What if he was healthy and played amazingly? What if he played like crap (which he did)?.

He had a great freshman season, skies the limit. Let's just keep him injury free before we compare him to our greats.

Rant and cuss on, but remember Crouch never stayed healthy either. If memory serves me correctly, he had two shoulder surgeries in the offseason. For anyone who said Crouch was a bad passer, they need to go back and see his motion and numbers in the first half of the season and compare them to the second half of the seasons. It was obvious he wasn't healthy. Tommie didn't exactly stay healthy either considering the blood clots and such his junior year.

 

[I am I]

great comparison. but like Crouch himself who said about half way through the season, concerning Martin-ez:

"he is showing great burst, great acceleration. He's certainly faster than me. the only thing we'll have to keep a close eye on, is when he gets into conference play and the players and schemes are faster, smarter. to keep his legs fresh and endure an entire season of B12 football."

well, I guess we should re-examine some of when those stats were accumulated, maybe? I really like Matin-ez for a number of reasons. I hope he shows great growth in the off season to correct his shortcomings. but when he's performing the mental part and winning games that way around week 9, then i'll be impressed even if his stats earned physically start to fall off.

I think you misunderstood Crouch. In the interview, he said Martinez is faster than he is now. He never said Martinez was faster than he was when he was playing.

oh for fu#*$ sake. What I am getting at is that crouch understood that u have to play a full season, stay healthy, be relatively as fast in game 12 as u were in game 2. He saw an electric player garnering comparisons to LEGENDS at Nebraska. Even as a "freshman" Martinez was blowing out competiton. What crouch was saying was let's just see if he can stay healthy and fresh through a full season as a running QB. HE DIDNT!!! So we really may not know how much growth he could have had. How legit his stats were against top conference foes, you know, WHEN IT REALLY MATTERS. Basically, comparing Martinez to crouch and Frazier statistically, at this point is a little silly because he got hurt. What if he was healthy and played amazingly? What if he played like crap (which he did)?.

He had a great freshman season, skies the limit. Let's just keep him injury free before we compare him to our greats.

Rant and cuss on, but remember Crouch never stayed healthy either. If memory serves me correctly, he had two shoulder surgeries in the offseason. For anyone who said Crouch was a bad passer, they need to go back and see his motion and numbers in the first half of the season and compare them to the second half of the seasons. It was obvious he wasn't healthy. Tommie didn't exactly stay healthy either considering the blood clots and such his junior year.

yeah, he was injured. Thanks for proving my f'ing point. Even injured, crouch was still able to become one of the prolific running QBs of all time, statistically speaking. Not only that, even if he was hurt, he still took his team to the MNC and won the heisman. My point bringinning him into the converstaion is that he, of all people, knew that if Martinez could stay healthy and play well against top conference foes (which he DIDNT) then we would have some remarkable kid on our hands. But, as if crouch knew somethig we don't, he looked into his crystal ball and laid out there that Martinez will have to stay healthy/play well against top conference foes (which he didn't) So the statistical comparisons are irrelevant.