Gregg Doyel's message to NFL prognosticators on Suh vs. McCoy
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I'm curious how many more plays Suh played than McCoy. I'm sure Suh played quite a bit more, with how bad our offense was at sustaining drives, but it still probably does not make up for the huge discrepancy in their stats. Now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure Suh was in for more than 80 plays in the Oklahoma game, and I don't think McCoy even came close to that number. I bet McCoy would have had more like 50 tackles maybe if he played as much as Suh did this season, but maybe not. It's probably worth mentioning though.
knapplc
International Man of Mystery
Oklahoma scored 50 points more than Nebraska, or just more than one field goal per game (4 points per game). So if anything, McCoy's stats would be "deflated" compared to Suh's by about one series per game, max. Even accounting for this, it still doesn't account for the huge discrepancy in tackles, sacks, QB hurries, etc.
And even if you wanted to toss the stats out the window, all anyone would have to do would be to watch that highlight video I posted up there in the thread and they'll see how much more dominant Suh is.
It really, really isn't close. Really.
Paul in WI
Starter
I thought that the article was spot on. I find it absolutely breathtaking that there are all these clowns out there writing absolute garbage about McCoy's performance at the combine and his "higher level of athleticism" when compared to Suh. If you do a little digging on the authors, many of these guys are just punk kids that don't even follow the Big 12 conference. Since they know nothing of Suh's accomplishments before the Texas game or the Big 12 North in general, they just regurgitate the moronic nonsense that arse clowns like McShay spew.
It seems like everyone's a writer these days.....
It seems like everyone's a writer these days.....
Suh is such a dominant player, he basically takes away half the field, and on many occasions he covers the whole field. I mean, how many times have we seen him chase down someone from the backside to make the play?
Suh is the kind of player who makes an OC wake up in a cold sweat, second guessing his game plan that day. McCoy has never garnered that kind of respect.
mmmtodd
All-Conference
junior4949
All-American
I couldn't find the amount of plays run by each team per game, but I did find the time of possession stats. Nebraska's offense actually controlled the ball longer per game than did OU by almost a minute and a half per game. OU's TOP was 28:30 while NU's TOP was 29:54. From this, I'd speculate that Suh was actually in on fewer plays throughout the season than McCoy.
HuskerMack
Special Teams Player
knapplc
International Man of Mystery
Nobody jumped on you. Your premise was largely irrelevant to the stats. All you had to do was some simple research to figure out if Suh played significantly more downs than McCoy. I did that research and answered your question.
However, I didn't vote your post down, so your retaliatory shot at me is misplaced.
If you want to compare these two players, I think it is pertinent to look at the 2008 stats as well.
Suh: 76 Tackles 39 Solo 7 Sacks 2 Interceptions
McCoy: 26 Tackles 13 Solo 6 Sacks 1 Interception
but more importantly, Suh is 1 year older and his Junior statistics still murder McCoy's Junior statistics by a fair margin. And the offense argument is not as strong.
Another note: look at the conditioning relating to McCoy and Suh, and you will come to the conclusion that if McCoy was forced to play more minutes, his production would probably have dropped considerably.
I think the upside has to be a plus for McCoy since he is younger and may have untapped potential in terms of strength and speed, but the risk of bust is also much higher. All told, I'd still take Suh as a more proven commodity.
Suh: 76 Tackles 39 Solo 7 Sacks 2 Interceptions
McCoy: 26 Tackles 13 Solo 6 Sacks 1 Interception
but more importantly, Suh is 1 year older and his Junior statistics still murder McCoy's Junior statistics by a fair margin. And the offense argument is not as strong.
Another note: look at the conditioning relating to McCoy and Suh, and you will come to the conclusion that if McCoy was forced to play more minutes, his production would probably have dropped considerably.
I think the upside has to be a plus for McCoy since he is younger and may have untapped potential in terms of strength and speed, but the risk of bust is also much higher. All told, I'd still take Suh as a more proven commodity.
