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Mavric said:
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I thought it was fake at first but I'm 100% convinced it was authentic, particularly after Will's speech and many of the things I've read/heard since.

Rock's joke was low brow but Smith's actions are pretty unjustifiable. He's lucky he wasn't escorted out/arrested and that Rock has decided to not press charges.

 
Enhance said:
I thought it was fake at first but I'm 100% convinced it was authentic, particularly after Will's speech and many of the things I've read/heard since.

Rock's joke was low brow but Smith's actions are pretty unjustifiable. He's lucky he wasn't escorted out/arrested and that Rock has decided to not press charges.
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I agree. Celebrities need to take that stuff in stride. It’s part of the deal of their fame and fortune. Although I won’t crucify Smith for his actions either.  Rock will come out of it being the bigger man if he does not file charges. And he shouldn’t… I’m sure he’s taken worse shots than that, with his mouth.  No blood, no physical damage.  Sure did liven up the Oscars though  :lol:

 
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Will obviously shouldn't have gotten up and slapped him....but, as a rule of thumb, don't joke about things people don't have control over, auto-immune diseases included (especially when there's so, so, SO many other things that you could rip Will Smith and Jada Pinkett for).

 
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Cdog923 said:
Will obviously shouldn't have gotten up and slapped him....but, as a rule of thumb, don't joke about things people don't have control over, auto-immune diseases included (especially when there's so, so, SO many other things that you could rip Will Smith and Jada Pinkett for).
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I think most people agree the joke was low brow, but don't you think this sets a bit of a dangerous precedent or example if we start itemizing what kind of comedy is or isn't off limits? That's kind of the role comedians serve in life... they push limits, make us question boundaries in the form of expression. If joking about an auto-immune disease is off-limits (which, honestly, is really not as bad as other topics), how many lines do we have to draw for what is or isn't acceptable and what does or does not constitute a violent response?

If alopecia is off-limits... then we should probably add a few thousand other things to the off-limits category.

I agree though that it was probably one of the more tame things to joke about regarding that family. I mean, the low-hanging fruit would've been Jada's infidelity. But even then, I don't think the joke would've warranted violence.

 
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Cdog923 said:
Will obviously shouldn't have gotten up and slapped him....but, as a rule of thumb, don't joke about things people don't have control over, auto-immune diseases included (especially when there's so, so, SO many other things that you could rip Will Smith and Jada Pinkett for).
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It sort of makes me wonder if Will and Jada weren’t already a bit triggered over the “open relationship” joke the 3 hostesses did at the beginning of the show.

Will initially laughed at the GI Jane joke but then apparently saw that Jada didn’t think it was funny…then he got up. Sort of understandable that it upset hime at that point but made it seem a little like he did what he did to make up for his laughing moreso than for what Chris Rock said.

I like both Will and Chris but Jada has a pretty long history of taking umbrage at things. IMO she needs to have a little thicker skin and realize that no matter how she feels slighted she still is better off than 99.9% of the people who provide her fame and fortune.

 
Enhance said:
I think most people agree the joke was low brow, but don't you think this sets a bit of a dangerous precedent or example if we start itemizing what kind of comedy is or isn't off limits? That's kind of the role comedians serve in life... they push limits, make us question boundaries in the form of expression. If joking about an auto-immune disease is off-limits (which, honestly, is really not as bad as other topics), how many lines do we have to draw for what is or isn't acceptable and what does or does not constitute a violent response?

If alopecia is off-limits... then we should probably add a few thousand other things to the off-limits category.

I agree though that it was probably one of the more tame things to joke about regarding that family. I mean, the low-hanging fruit would've been Jada's infidelity. But even then, I don't think the joke would've warranted violence.
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Well, that's the conversation in comedy at the moment, but IMO If you can't come with a joke that is any better than punching down towards someone's physical deficiencies (again, those that one doesn't have much, if any, control over), then you probably don't belong on the a stage as big as the Oscars (which I'm not saying about Rock; he's one of my favorites). As much as I can remember, Ricky Gervais (for as "controversial" as he was) never did that in all the times he hosted awards shows. Neither did Tina Fey or Amy Poehler. 

 
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If we're going to categorize physical deficiencies and auto-immune diseases as off-limits comedy (which CR allegedly did not know she had, but I digress) then we effectively have to throw out thousands of other comedic topics. I've seen some dumb jokes at these events that I think are much more of a 'punch down' than going after someone's alopecia.

Plus I'm not really sure how relevant the Oscars stage is or isn't here as to what kind of comedy is passable. Obviously you don't want to get too wild given the public/international audience element, but like, are we saying that "Netflix special + homosexual jokes = comedy," but "Oscars + alopecia joke = you don't belong here, and here's a slap in the face for good measure?" It just seems like we have a lot of people being very nitpicky about what comedy can and can't be and on what stage. Not accusing you of that but that's definitely the vibe I'm getting from some places this morning.

 
R2 has really fallen on hard times.

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Will Smith gets a ten year ban from attending the Oscars.

As far as bad things done by Hollywood stars, slapping someone ain't jack s#!t. If it hadn't happened on live TV, absolutely no one, including the Academy, would have given the slightest flying f#&% about it. If he deserves a ten year ban, probably half the people in the audience that night do too.



Should be a room full of people making awkward half chuckles at a s#!t-tier joke. I mean even leaving aside whether the joke was 'wrong', no one was laughing beyond the bare minimum required for politeness.

 
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Toe said:
Will Smith gets a ten year ban from attending the Oscars.

As far as bad things done by Hollywood stars, slapping someone ain't jack s#!t. If it hadn't happened on live TV, absolutely no one, including the Academy, would have given the slightest flying f#&% about it. If he deserves a ten year ban, probably half the people in the audience that night do too.

Should be a room full of people making awkward half chuckles at a s#!t-tier joke. I mean even leaving aside whether the joke was 'wrong', no one was laughing beyond the bare minimum required for politeness.
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Will Smith himself laughed at it…..until he didn’t  :dunno

 
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