How good can we be with TM under center next year?

[lo country]

It works for Bama. It would have worked for LSU if they were smart enough to actually put their good game manager in at QB in the title game.

Defense wins championships, buddy.

Oooh, are you saying great defenses paired with a good game-managing QB instead of a more volatile but more impressive athlete?



Agree. I hope others who agree with this can understand my position on Zac Lee at the beginning of the 2010 season now.

Had Lee started last year, with another year under his belt, we win the BIG XII and get our first BCS bowl in 10 years.

 

[bshirt]

It works for Bama. It would have worked for LSU if they were smart enough to actually put their good game manager in at QB in the title game.

Defense wins championships, buddy.

Oooh, are you saying great defenses paired with a good game-managing QB instead of a more volatile but more impressive athlete?



Agree. I hope others who agree with this can understand my position on Zac Lee at the beginning of the 2010 season now.

Had Lee started last year, with another year under his belt, we win the BIG XII and get our first BCS bowl in 10 years.

Because he led our 2009 awesome 99th ranked offense, right? Oh yeah, we would have been unstoppable with him at qb again. Oh well........

 

[Hercules]

It works for Bama. It would have worked for LSU if they were smart enough to actually put their good game manager in at QB in the title game.

Defense wins championships, buddy.

Oooh, are you saying great defenses paired with a good game-managing QB instead of a more volatile but more impressive athlete?



Agree. I hope others who agree with this can understand my position on Zac Lee at the beginning of the 2010 season now.

Had Lee started last year, with another year under his belt, we win the BIG XII and get our first BCS bowl in 10 years.

Yeah! Or, ya know, he gets hurt. Like he did (in "reality") about 2 seconds after he got the starting job when Martinez went down with an injury.

 

[HuskerBacon]

It works for Bama. It would have worked for LSU if they were smart enough to actually put their good game manager in at QB in the title game.

Defense wins championships, buddy.

Oooh, are you saying great defenses paired with a good game-managing QB instead of a more volatile but more impressive athlete?



Agree. I hope others who agree with this can understand my position on Zac Lee at the beginning of the 2010 season now.

Had Lee started last year, with another year under his belt, we win the BIG XII and get our first BCS bowl in 10 years.

Because he led our 2009 awesome 99th ranked offense, right? Oh yeah, we would have been unstoppable with him at qb again. Oh well........

Not to mention without Martinez we lose the Oklahoma state game

 

[Hercules]

Zoogies,

If we had Luck under center do you believe Nebraska would have won the MNC, or the CCG, or beat Wisconsin, Michigan and South Carolina. If you do then I understand how you think. If you don't, then you realize there are for more problems than Taylor.

If we had a QB like Luck under center, I think we would have made it to the CCG. I don't think it would have taken Luck, either. Kain Colter. Colin Klein. A number of guys...and, I'm saying that Luck would not guarantee any more than those guys would.

Disagree. Klein, Colter (you're really going with the backup QB on Northwestern?), nor Luck would have helped us beat Wisconsin or Michigan. The Northwestern loss aside (where Taylor wasn't remotely the problem), we weren't going to the CCG this year. We needed to have only one conference loss this year to do that, and we didn't play well enough as a team to beat Wisconsin or Michigan. I don't care if we had Joe Montana, we weren't winning either one of those games unless the entire team played better.

 

[HuskerBacon]

Had Martinez not gotten injured last year, we win the BIG XII and get our first BCS bowl in 10 years.

Fixed it for you

 

[bshirt]

The most important asset is the passing ability though. The game has evolved to that. The NFL has evolved to that style. When Nebraska conforms to the NFL systems, we will bring in future NFL players. How many Nebraska QB's have been drafted to the NFL? It's time to move in that direction.

This is the same argument that people made in support of bringing Callahan to Nebraska, and it's the same thing people have said about offensive football in general since the 1980's. They've never stopped being wrong.

The NFL is getting closer to college football, not the other way around. The New England Patriots are headed to the Super Bowl with a spread offense. The Denver Broncos reached the second round of the playoffs running a bad version of the spread option with the NFL's version of Taylor Martinez at QB, if you will. And just a few days ago, Tampa Bay was this close to hiring spread option wizard Chip Kelly.

But this version won 2 MNC's (Chris Leak starter). Not even a close comparison.

I would take any "poor" passer of NU's great running QB's over Martinez. Imagine Ganz in 2009 or 2010.

I agree the NFL is really toying with the idea of going with the spread or dual threat QB's. RGIII, Cam etc......, but these examples are head and shoulders above Martinez. The Patriots and their spread have an imaginative OC ie use of Hernandez as RB, receivers who catch, TE's who are all everything. Their talent is across the board sick.

Passing is an incredible threat and when down by 14 and time ticking, passing wins games. We can't pass to win. If they game is on the line, do you really want it to be lost or won on Martinez's arm? Not saying he can't pass, but IMO he is not a dual threat. To run or pass. Are teams stacking the box to stop his running ability or because they know he can't pass? Seems to me, a good QB in the passing game would eat a D alive dropping guys in single coverage. Until Martinez shows he can do this, teams will stack the box, he will get stuffed and we will get 3-4 losses per year.

Beck has really done nothing to deter D's from doing this. he has called a few great quarters or halfs, but needs to put together 4 quarters. His play calling has got to improve if they plan on keeping with Martinez. Can he win us games anymore? IMO not unless play calling changes, but he is getting good enough to not lose us any games.

Riiiiight......

That's why we brought in the NFL genius in 2004. For the being down by 14 with the clock ticking, In his four years with our great passing attack we were 0 - 19 when down at halftime. Something our current "horrible qb" led offense managed to do just this year vs Ohio St. (imagine that).

I guess we should jump dump everything (again) and go back to fluffball. You know, for being down by 14 with the clock ticking......

Don't kid yourself. No strip, no momentum shift. Healthy Miller equals another televised beat down. A good dul threat QB can use his arm and feet to beat you. Martinez is neither. Is he serviceable to win. Yes. Will he lose us any games? No.

Cally's O was not the issue. It was the D.

You think Martinez is great good for you. Without some serious improvement on both sides we are still a 3-4 loss team.

Nope.

Cally's offense wasn't worth sh*t vs any decent offense he faced (or until garbage time). I also don't buy without the one fumble we get "beat down" by Ohio St. Not at all. That's just another variable that we'll never know what would have happened without it. There's "lots" of other variables in that or any other game too. It's extremely naive to claim that's the only reason we won that game. Even more so to claim we would have been "beat down" without it. I guess their defense must have just gone home the instant he fumbled, right? :confucius

I don't think Tmart's "great" yet but he's by far the best we have. But if it makes you feel better to rip our qb apart, well.....that's what these forums are for.

I do agree we need vast improvement on both sides of the ball but just benching our two year starting qb isn't even remotely close to solving those problems.

 

[skersfan]

Stand by my post, 9-4 blow out losses to Michigan and Ohio State, one of the other three will beat us when we should win. A loss to a SEC team and it will be ugly also.

Not enough talent, not enough experience, not enough depth, coaches that are learning at the same time the team is.

Not being negative, just stating facts I think. Not down on Nebraska, just looking at things as they seem to be, hoping for better results, but I do not see this great team that can compete with top teams. We really have not beaten a team to finish in the top 10 for I have no idea how long.

This conference is going to prove to be way tougher for us than the Big 12. Recruiting is going to be harder for us here to I think.

Be prepared for an average team, that wins enough to be respectable, but doubtfull we will ever regain elite status again. Too many things working against us.

How many conference titles does Ohio State have in the last ten years. You know exactly what I meant. They will not fall any further and I expect them to be very tough this year. The base is there, the talent is there, the facilities are there and they have a far better coaching staff, recruiting staff, Michigan will be right behind them and battling for the lead in a couple of years. We have a lot of work just to be respectable in Nebraska standards. I see us competing for the conference champion ship once or twice every ten years. At best.

 

[walksalone]

The team as a whole, has to step up. Offense, Defense, especially special teams.

T-mart could be the 2nd coming of Tommy Frazier, but it doesn't matter if the rest of the team sh*ts the bed.

 

[lo country]

The "variable" you forgot to mention is Miller going out. It was a great comeback, the best in NU history. Kudo's to the staff and kids. I never dismissed the comeback. I simply do not believe that with a player as dynamic as Miller still in the game we lose.

Cally's O did get shredded by great D's. NO doubt, But I still do not think we are offensive juggernaut that can score at will. USC anyone? Wisky? You can point to drops, fumbles etc......but those are variables. I choose to point out the negatives I see and you point out the positives.

I stand by my comments about Lee. Someone mentioned OSU (Okie) unsure how we can say we lose that game with him in. I say against OU, a healthy Lee would have gotten the W and against A&M as well. It was in comments about a "game manager" and a good D. After the Bowl game against Arizona, I think we saw a little more of what Lee could do. Second year in the system, senior etc.... Still unsure if he was ever injured in 2010? Again, my opinion. JUst like everything else on this board, opinions. I also wonder how many wins we would have had if not for Henery and his leg?

I do not think I have really bashed Martinez. I said that "he will not lose us a game, or he is not a game changer, he is getting better, the staff doesn't play to his strengths, can't jule, can't run true option etc...........I have also said that he has the potential to be very good (need improvements again all around him) I have also said that this team has numerous issues that I do not think will be fixed in year. It will take a while. We are young on both sides of the ball, we are or did start several walk-ons.

Again, in my opinion, for a myriad of answers, we are good for 3-4 losses again next year. Is Martinez an issue, absolutely, BUT so is not having a kid having taken a meaningful live snap as center in approx 3 yrs, the loss of David, Fonzie, WR's dropping passes, a new DL coach (I will save my opinion), an unproven OC, talent issues (see comments from Raymond), lack of depth and development (development meaning not playing, BUT IMPROVING) etc..... I am just not a big Martinez fan. Do I support him as a Husker? Sure. As the QB, who handles the ball on every play, he is an easy target. Remember folks feelings of Frost, J Lo etc.... Just like countless other Huskers I did not "like", but still support(ed) as they are Huskers. Doesn't mean that I will not add my opinion, positive or negative, but will still cheer for them on Saturdays.

If he becomes the next TF or EC, I will eat crow, but I just do not see it happening unless there are numerous improvements across the board. He holds numerous NU records, but for approximately 2 yrs now he has been the O or at least a focal point. We throw more now. we do not have the playmekers across the board that former Husker greats had. Stats tell a story, but only part.

 

[lo country]

It works for Bama. It would have worked for LSU if they were smart enough to actually put their good game manager in at QB in the title game.

Defense wins championships, buddy.

Oooh, are you saying great defenses paired with a good game-managing QB instead of a more volatile but more impressive athlete?



Agree. I hope others who agree with this can understand my position on Zac Lee at the beginning of the 2010 season now.

Had Lee started last year, with another year under his belt, we win the BIG XII and get our first BCS bowl in 10 years.

Because he led our 2009 awesome 99th ranked offense, right? Oh yeah, we would have been unstoppable with him at qb again. Oh well........

With a stellar D (2009) and an average QB we came within 1 sec of the BIG XII and BCS bowl (for the record I still think the :01 was added). With a very good D in 2010, Martinez BIG XII he got sacked 8 times and we blew a 17 point lead IIRC. Just saying. We can go back and forth all day and it won't change anyones opinion.

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

It works for Bama. It would have worked for LSU if they were smart enough to actually put their good game manager in at QB in the title game.

Defense wins championships, buddy.

Oooh, are you saying great defenses paired with a good game-managing QB instead of a more volatile but more impressive athlete?



Agree. I hope others who agree with this can understand my position on Zac Lee at the beginning of the 2010 season now.

Had Lee started last year, with another year under his belt, we win the BIG XII and get our first BCS bowl in 10 years.

Because he led our 2009 awesome 99th ranked offense, right? Oh yeah, we would have been unstoppable with him at qb again. Oh well........

With a stellar D (2009) and an average QB we came within 1 sec of the BIG XII and BCS bowl (for the record I still think the :01 was added). With a very good D in 2010, Martinez BIG XII he got sacked 8 times and we blew a 17 point lead IIRC. Just saying. We can go back and forth all day and it won't change anyones opinion.

We blew a 17 point lead because of Taylor? Are you kidding me? Taylor threw one INT that cost us points. The defense allowed Oklahoma to score, not Taylor.

 

[bshirt]

It works for Bama. It would have worked for LSU if they were smart enough to actually put their good game manager in at QB in the title game.

Defense wins championships, buddy.

Oooh, are you saying great defenses paired with a good game-managing QB instead of a more volatile but more impressive athlete?



Agree. I hope others who agree with this can understand my position on Zac Lee at the beginning of the 2010 season now.

Had Lee started last year, with another year under his belt, we win the BIG XII and get our first BCS bowl in 10 years.

Because he led our 2009 awesome 99th ranked offense, right? Oh yeah, we would have been unstoppable with him at qb again. Oh well........

With a stellar D (2009) and an average QB we came within 1 sec of the BIG XII and BCS bowl (for the record I still think the :01 was added). With a very good D in 2010, Martinez BIG XII he got sacked 8 times and we blew a 17 point lead IIRC. Just saying. We can go back and forth all day and it won't change anyones opinion.

We blew a 17 pt lead because of Tmart. Gotcha......

 

[Hercules]

It works for Bama. It would have worked for LSU if they were smart enough to actually put their good game manager in at QB in the title game.

Defense wins championships, buddy.

Oooh, are you saying great defenses paired with a good game-managing QB instead of a more volatile but more impressive athlete?



Agree. I hope others who agree with this can understand my position on Zac Lee at the beginning of the 2010 season now.

Had Lee started last year, with another year under his belt, we win the BIG XII and get our first BCS bowl in 10 years.

Because he led our 2009 awesome 99th ranked offense, right? Oh yeah, we would have been unstoppable with him at qb again. Oh well........

With a stellar D (2009) and an average QB we came within 1 sec of the BIG XII and BCS bowl (for the record I still think the :01 was added). With a very good D in 2010, Martinez BIG XII he got sacked 8 times and we blew a 17 point lead IIRC. Just saying. We can go back and forth all day and it won't change anyones opinion.

Or - in 2009, our defense was so great that we almost won the Big 12 championship without scoring a TD, and with our starting QB (billed here as a great "game manager") throwing 3 interceptions.

Maybe if Zac Lee had been healthy enough to play the 2010 Big 12 championship game, we would have won. Maybe if Taylor had been fully healthy, we would have won.

And maybe if we'd had Taylor in 2010, we would have actually been able to score a TD against Texas in that Big 12 championship game, and ":01" would have never happened.

 

[kchusker_chris]

Or - in 2009, our defense was so great that we almost won the Big 12 championship without scoring a TD, and with our starting QB (billed here as a great "game manager") throwing 3 interceptions.

Maybe if Zac Lee had been healthy enough to play the 2010 Big 12 championship game, we would have won. Maybe if Taylor had been fully healthy, we would have won.

And maybe if we'd had Taylor in 2010, we would have actually been able to score a TD against Texas in that Big 12 championship game, and ":01" would have never happened.

calm down Taylor, don't need you punching a wall and hurting yourself...you're all we've got.