I was wrong about the B!G ………………
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Excel
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Well you might have a point but look at some of these B12 teams' seasons vs. their bowls....it betrays what's really going on here...
Like 2008 Texas that was scoring heaps of points...low 40 or high 30's average...OSU keeps them in the low 20's.
OSU 2009...same kind of story outside of a game to OU. Ole Miss holds them to a single touchdown.
2008 Mizzou...just gobs of points, North-frickn-western holds them to 23 or so in regulation
2008 OU is a great example...scored over 60 points 5 times that season, held to 14 in the MNC.
2005 TTU- had an 80 point game that year held to 10 in a bowl.
Sure thats anecdotal evidence but you could find a lot more if you really got to digging...I'm sure there's also some that refutes it but I don't think its all together inaccurate to say that the Big XII is an offense-heavy league. The Big Ten at least tries to play Defense.
krill
Special Teams Player
Hmmm that's interesting, never really knew that the Randy Walker era was considered the beginnings of the rush oriented spread offense. I guess now when you think of NW it's Kafka and Persa.
Creed
Special Teams Player
This ^^^ I am a huge B1G fan but this year the B12 is better. OU, OSU, KSU are all very solid teams. But the B1G offers more money and you can't compare the venues (Big House, Horseshoe, Happy Valley, Camp Randal). B1G has much better bowl tie ins with many New Years Day games vs the SEC.
Well... the Big 12 offenses are light years ahead of the Big10 offenses --- and that is a contributor to the bleak Big 12 defensive numbers. Of course, the questions are... are the Big 12 defensive numbers so bad because the offenses are so good --- or are the offensive numbers so good because the defenses are so bad? The same questions for the Big 10 --- do the defenses look good merely because the offenses are so bad?
In any event, the use of the defensive statistics alone tell only a partial story.
scarletNcream
Special Teams Player
In the BIG maybe, but N ran a spread style in the late 70's, abandoned it because of the wishbone and forever became known as an option team.
kchusker_chris
All-American
I can't wait until Meyer turns down tOSU before even interviewing. I haven't come accross a single Ohio State fan that doesn't already consider his employment a done deal. Why the confidence?Give it a couple years huskers.
2 traditional powers who were fantastic in the 90s and early 2000s are down. One because they had a coach who stayed too long and the other because they sold their soul and destroyed everything they ever believed in for 3 years.
The scandal will hamper the return of one but the other will be back in 2-3 years.
And Urban might be coming to town in the next couple of months
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junior4949
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The Big 12 has two teams mentioned in the NC race. The Big 10 has none. It would appear right now that the Big 12, SEC, and the Pac 12 will each send two teams to a BCS game. According the pundits, the Big 10 will get one just like the Big East. I'm not sure I'd say the Big 10 is more competitive especially when you consider KState nearly took Okie State into overtime and they did take A&M into overtime. If you take one of the poorest Big 12 teams (Iowa State) and put them into the Big 10, they would actually be competitive. As others have said, belonging to the Big 10 comes with definite advantages over the Big 12. However, the Big 12 is a better football conference this year.
VectorVictor
Heisman Trophy Winner
Don't be. This was just prattle from the Texass fans who were shocked that someone stood up to them and called them out for the vermin and cowards they truly are.
Nebraska has always recruited nationally--look at our rosters, both recently and in the past: FL, NJ, NY, CA, CT, AZ. We're all over the place.
As long as Ma and Pa Kettle can see their son play on Saturday via the TV, Nebraska will always have an in, which is why the Big 10 Network is so crucial and fit Nebraska like a glove. We can realistically go to recruits and say you will see your son on TV every single Saturday.
Plus, Texas has more talent than they do quality FBS schools. Simple math means there will be kids leaving Texas--it's the only reason OU has maintained their success over the years. Nebraska will always be in play for those kids, even in spite of the SEC coming in and taking over South Texas.
Cy the Cyclone
Starter
Bah...give the teams in the Big 12 and extra non-conference game like the Big 10 has and everybody in the conference could be padding their defensive stats against powerhouses like McNeese State too.
Of course the defensive stats are better in the Big 10...you get to play against juggernaut offenses like Penn State...or Iowa....or Indiana. How do you think the numbers would look if you had to play OSU...OU...KSU...Baylor? Not so good.
The Big 10 is good at mediocrity competiting against mediocrity and running up big numbers against the members who are less than mediocre, getting decent bowl bids based on records by people who actually never see the games, and then getting pummeled by opponents from real football conferences.
But hey...the money is great!
WoodyHayes1951
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I can't wait until Meyer turns down tOSU before even interviewing. I haven't come accross a single Ohio State fan that doesn't already consider his employment a done deal. Why the confidence?Give it a couple years huskers.
2 traditional powers who were fantastic in the 90s and early 2000s are down. One because they had a coach who stayed too long and the other because they sold their soul and destroyed everything they ever believed in for 3 years.
The scandal will hamper the return of one but the other will be back in 2-3 years.
And Urban might be coming to town in the next couple of months
What's with the petty hate?
Do you live Cbus? I thought so.
From what I hear from reliable sources inside the program, Urban wants it. It's his dream job(no new revelation).
If he wants the its then he gets the job. There is plenty of interest in the job since it's one of the top jobs, but NO ONE would be welcomed over Urban.
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WoodyHayes1951
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JJ Husker
Assistant Coach
I was wrong about the B1G also. It is a bit more smash-mouth oriented as expected but what has surprised me the most is that the lower level teams are generally much better than the lower level of the Big 12. I really see no evidence to suggest that either conference is light years ahead of the other. The top couple Big 12 teams this year may appear stronger than the top of the B1G but put them through the same gauntlet of a schedule you get in the B1G and I think things even up a bit. I now understand why the B1G has trouble getting teams through the regular season unscathed. No more KU's, ISU's, CU's, and Baylors to roll. Historically, you could even add Mizzou, KSU, & OSU to that list as well. Minny, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern are just not that bad. Other than OSU's offense, I am not overly impressed with the Big 12 this year. Give me our defense from 1 or 2 years ago and I'll show you how to shut down Okie lite as well. I love being in the B1G, it is where a team like Nebraska belongs. Unfortunately, we will not be able to skate by like we could in the Big 12 north when our team is down a bit as it is this year. The SEC is strong no question. And if you take Oregon and Stanford out of the Pac whatever, you are left with nothing. Those of you who think the Big 12 is all that apparently don't watch enough football and/or you get too much ESPN spin. Personally I think NU ends with a similar or better record playing Big 12 teams than going against the likes of Wiscy, tOSU, Michigan, Penn St, MSU, & Iowa. There may be more flash in the 12 but there is wider, deeper substance in the B1G.
gratefullred
Special Teams Player
In the Big12 everyone recruits TX. In TX they have 7 on 7 camps year round. Nobody hits anybody, the QB dosen't get hit, why would anybody want to play D?
In the B1G we mostly recruit the midwest. It snows and we still play football, no one passes becasues it is cold as s**t, we run the ball and beat the hell out of one another for 3 yards. I love it.
For the record NU handled those touted Big12 offenses pretty well.
In the B1G we mostly recruit the midwest. It snows and we still play football, no one passes becasues it is cold as s**t, we run the ball and beat the hell out of one another for 3 yards. I love it.
For the record NU handled those touted Big12 offenses pretty well.