It was made clear to me why B1G teams play like crap in bowl games today...

Yes, the SEC cheats more than any other conference and Russell Wilson was payed by UW to play for the Badgers, oh the world in which you live.

 
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spinne1 said:
Spartan fan since 1976 here. First post here. [Love Nebraska in the Big 10. Raises our game and prestige. Forces us to be better. Your fans are great and classy. MSU fans have much to learn from you (they are quick to boast, quick to complain, quick to make excuses, are poor sports too often, do not show respect for opponents but rather contempt. etc.)

Anyhow, let's not let facts get in the way of a good story, right?

Facts:

Since beginning of BCS era:

Big 10 overall bowl record: 41-48

ACC: 56-52

Big 12: 48-50

Big East: 30-28

Pac 10: 35-36

SEC: 61-44

Yes, the Big 10 had a terrible New Year's Day in 2011, going 0-5. Each game had a different story. What we can learn:

-The SEC is the best football conference.

-The Big Ten, while slightly worse than the other conferences, is not terrible. The Big Ten up until this year has had the longest layoff between the last game and the bowls. The SEC has had at least one additional week of games counting the conference champtionship. The long layoff makes a difference.

-The Big Ten's seeming bowl problems are mostly the faults of a few teams: Minnesota 3-6, Purdue 3-6, Michigan State 2-5, and Northwestern 0-6. The other teams have fared much better. MSU's bowl problems have been mostly coaching in my opinion. Last year's Alabama debacle was a perfect example. We had no imagination on how to attack a physically superior team (see BYU in the 80s and 90s for a good way to win with inferior talent.) We were stubborn enough to try and run power I-formation football at a giant brick wall. Stupid.

The following link has excellent analysis and goes in more depth to see what is up with the Big 10 in bowls:

http://www.offtackle...-in-the-bcs-era
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+1.

Damn good first post Spinne. Very in depth, which a lot of people fail to do much, if ever. Like the link as well.

Hope you decide to stick around some more and enjoy the board. Lot of good people here. We've had an influx of new people recently, due to a couple of different things, chiefly joining the Big 10 and Huskerpedia changing hands. Anyway, honestly, the more the merrier, and enjoy your time here!

 
You're all overanalyzing this whole "Big Ten bowl game struggles issue." Its all very simple. The Big 10 is not very good, and it hasn't been good for a few years now.

Quite frankly, the Huskers picked a bad year to rebuild a defense, otherwise I think they'd be running rough shot over this whole conference.

If the defense has indeed turned the corner, NU just needs to avoid turnovers and they will win out. To put this into perspective, I think NU's 2009 team with a terrible offense and the best defense in the country, would be undefeated right now in the Big 10. That team lost 4 games in 2009.

 
Badgerfan said:
Yes, the SEC cheats more than any other conference and Russell Wilson was payed by UW to play for the Badgers, oh the world in which you live.
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you mean the world where 2+2=4?

Think about it: the SEC goes from perennial suckfest to five titles in a row? nick saban goes from big 10 bottom feeder to hall of famer through some divine miracle?

Auburn and Ole Miss with proven $180,000+ deals with Cam and his daddy and "no improprieties found?"

Russel Wilson, a fifth year senior from va, transfers from ncstate to a perennial also-ran in BFE for no particular reason? And btw, doesn't even lose a year of eligiblity either.

something smells fishy, and it ain't just milwaukee.

 
GBRsal said:
Badgerfan said:
Yes, the SEC cheats more than any other conference and Russell Wilson was payed by UW to play for the Badgers, oh the world in which you live.
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you mean the world where 2+2=4?

Think about it: the SEC goes from perennial suckfest to five titles in a row? nick saban goes from big 10 bottom feeder to hall of famer through some divine miracle?

Auburn and Ole Miss with proven $180,000+ deals with Cam and his daddy and "no improprieties found?"

Russel Wilson, a fifth year senior from va, transfers from ncstate to a perennial also-ran in BFE for no particular reason? And btw, doesn't even lose a year of eligiblity either.

something smells fishy, and it ain't just milwaukee.
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I thought that rule was pretty black and white. I'm not sure what's that "fishy" about a rule laid out by the NCAA. Right or wrong, it's not like they just made it up on the spot.

 
dudeguyy said:
The announcers were talking today, and I got to thinking about us being a big 10 team and no longer playing any Big 12 teams, and I think I realized why Big 10 teams typically blow chunks in bowl games.

We knew there'd be a transition period while getting used to the Big 10. The announcers explained this, mentioning how our D had to agree to the downhill style of most Big 10 offenses, as opposed to the lateral movement of a lot of Big 12 offenses.

I fully realized we would no longer play Big 12 teams that use such spread variations and were therefore more likely to see more power, north and south stuff in the Big 10 (with obvious exceptions abounding... Michigan, Northwestern, etc.).

So, do Big 10 teams suck against SEC and other speedy teams because they're not used to the lateral attacks of spread teams who have speedier players, or is there some other reason? It seems like Big 10 teams religious come out and get rolled generally come bowl season, with the top teams perhaps faring OK (OSU in the Sugar Bowl last year).
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Well then wouldn't B1G teams be using their black and blue, north/south style of running football and exploiting the SEC's lack of experience with stopping teams like that?

No. SEC teams have a wealth of talent and great coaching at the moment. As much as I hate the SEC hype, there's nothing to indicate that it is not the best conference in the nation.

I know fans are obsessed with scheme and some kind of magical formula that allows one team to dominate another. Something sustained, like 6 straight national titles, should indicate that there is something more concrete going on. Like BETTER PLAYERS!!

 
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GBRsal said:
Badgerfan said:
Yes, the SEC cheats more than any other conference and Russell Wilson was payed by UW to play for the Badgers, oh the world in which you live.
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you mean the world where 2+2=4?

Think about it: the SEC goes from perennial suckfest to five titles in a row? nick saban goes from big 10 bottom feeder to hall of famer through some divine miracle?

Auburn and Ole Miss with proven $180,000+ deals with Cam and his daddy and "no improprieties found?"

Russel Wilson, a fifth year senior from va, transfers from ncstate to a perennial also-ran in BFE for no particular reason? And btw, doesn't even lose a year of eligiblity either.

something smells fishy, and it ain't just milwaukee.
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Um actually with Wilson, a player who graduated from an FBS school can transfer to another FBS school and enroll into the graduate program and not have to sit out a year. See the Paulus situation a couple years ago. It's an NCAA rule, not Wisconsin cheating, he would be playing this year no matter where he went.

 
Exactly... it's a crappy loophole, but he could have gone anywhere he wanted. so why wisconsin? just because ham-loaf face is such a nice guy? because wisconsin has put so many QBs in the NFL? or because they wrote the biggest check?

Occam's Razor: All things being equal, the simplest answer is usually the correct one.

 
GBRsal said:
Exactly... it's a crappy loophole, but he could have gone anywhere he wanted. so why wisconsin? just because ham-loaf face is such a nice guy? because wisconsin has put so many QBs in the NFL? or because they wrote the biggest check?

Occam's Razor: All things being equal, the simplest answer is usually the correct one.
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Considering he chose between going to Wisconsin and Auburn (who already is known to pay players)... it doesn't take a genius to figure out what that one was all about.

 
GBRsal said:
Exactly... it's a crappy loophole, but he could have gone anywhere he wanted. so why wisconsin? just because ham-loaf face is such a nice guy? because wisconsin has put so many QBs in the NFL? or because they wrote the biggest check?

Occam's Razor: All things being equal, the simplest answer is usually the correct one.
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Blackshirt316 said:
GBRsal said:
Exactly... it's a crappy loophole, but he could have gone anywhere he wanted. so why wisconsin? just because ham-loaf face is such a nice guy? because wisconsin has put so many QBs in the NFL? or because they wrote the biggest check?

Occam's Razor: All things being equal, the simplest answer is usually the correct one.
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Considering he chose between going to Wisconsin and Auburn (who already is known to pay players)... it doesn't take a genius to figure out what that one was all about.
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Ok so your argument is that because Auburn payed one recruit then any player that choses a school over Auburn must also be getting payed? You realize where this goes right? It's an inevitable chain that would eventually lead to concluding that Nebraska also pays players....your argument is a load of sh#t. Utter horse sh#t. With Cam it was clear...

  • Cecil Newton had a church outside College Park, GA that was going under and then bam suddenly its financially stable.
  • Cam had previously indicated he wanted to play in Starkville but had to decline after "his dad changed his mind"
  • We had reports of these dealings from school officials in Starkville
  • We had roundabout reports of the money-laundering and payments from FBI releases of an investigation of a casino-owner and Auburn booster
  • We had clear indications about Cam's character from his time at Florida
  • We had a history of this kind of thing at Auburn and rumors of Tuberville being forced out due to his disagreement with such practices.

Where is ANY of that kind of thing with Wilson? It isn't there.

What we have with Russell Wilson is a good kid who wanted to stay at NC St but was forced to choose between Baseball and CFB. His coach ended up making that decision for him. Baseball didn't pan out well for him and he decided to try one last time with football but not being off the team at NC St. he was then, essentially, a free agent. Yes the choice came down to Auburn v. Wisconsin but there are two pretty clear reasons for why he choose WI.

  • He wanted to attend Grad School as insurance for his football career, which he's doing in Madison in where he's studying business. Auburn, being a farm school, hardly has a great business program so he choose UW's 28th ranked school
  • He wanted to pick a school where he could showcase his talents and win right away. Auburn's rebuilding big time this year after a talent drain and with the SEC, and especially the SEC-West, being the way it is he'd be hard pressed to do that. He picked UW because we had all the pieces in place, aside from a QB, to win games.

There I layed it out for you all. It all adds up, there's no evidence otherwise.

Now I can think of only two reasons that a person would argue we payed him:

1. They have inside information that I haven't seen and nobody else is privy to.

or

2. They're ignorant a$$hole$ who are still butt hurt about the beatdown they got a few weeks ago at Wilson's hands.

Hmmmmm maybe I should use Occam's razor, simplest answer is the best right? I'm going with number two.

 
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I still can't believe people think sh#t like this. Maybe if I try my hand with your twisted logic I'll understand it better, ok...

Lawrence Phillips was a Husker football player. Lawrence Phillips beat his girlfriend. Tom Osborne let him stay on the team. Osborne is now AD at UNL.

∴ All Husker athletes are allowed, and encouraged to commit domestic abuse...

See how f'd up that is...

 
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