I think that Joe's point was that even Lee looked fast against Arizona, so imagine how fast Martinez will look against a PAC10 team that finished behind Arizona.
Jake Locker as fast as Martinez
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I think that Joe's point was that even Lee looked fast against Arizona, so imagine how fast Martinez will look against a PAC10 team that finished behind Arizona.
Or maybe he was just saying that Lee looked fast against Arizona, so it's no surprise that Locker did too.
husker B-rent
All-Conference
Zoogies,
I understand that you are just trying to be the voice of reason etc. but you have to understand that most people are taking it as you bashing Martinez to push a Zac Lee style agenda be that the case or not. Again dont take it the wrong way, but it just seems like every time there is a qb thread you can bet that Zoogies will be in there with a post about how Martinez isnt all that great. Just wanted to tell ya that its rubbing people the wrong way, thats all.
Sincerely,
Husker B-rent
Joe_5700
Starter
DownwiththeduckS
Walk-on
by 'reliable' you probably mean 'i want something from a huskers site saying that', so here http://thehusker.com/jake-locker-40-yard-dash/
and yes, it's unofficial. his lowest official time is 4.43
zoogs
Assistant Coach
Lee IS fast. If you want to go by Rivals' 4.6 reported, or his drill results before the '09 season I think, or 0:52 and 1:32 on the highlight video, you are just ignoring reality if you want to say he is slow. Note that I am not saying he is faster than Locker or Taylor. But there's a huge misconception that Lee is some stone-footed pocket passer, which is very far from reality. Lee's a traditional passer, but he's an athlete.
It's not about looking fast, that's just how it is. Locker may not look as fast against us as Taylor looks against Washington, but he is flat-out fast and it's folly to just ignore that reality. I do think Taylor has a more lightning first step, but that's just based on that one video of the Arizona run where Locker came off of being hit.
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Joe_5700
Starter
That too. Trust me if Locker tears it up on the ground against us, I will eat crow. I always rooted for the guy after the first time I saw him play. He just never had the supporting cast around him to win more games than he has.
HuskerJosh
Starter
No. By reliable, I mean I want something from an unbiased source. A Nebraska site is not unbiased. Nor is the Washington coaching staff. Rivals, Scout, ESPN, Yahoo Sports, etc.
zoogs
Assistant Coach
I see your point, but I'm a skeptic is all. It's hard for me to root for Taylor yet, but I'm seeing him being put up on a pedestal and that is not going to be good for us when he is brought down to earth. He's a freshman - it is going to happen - no need to push the panic button when he does, but I'm thinking that is what will probably occur once Taylor is not averaging 18 yards a carry.
I didn't actually bring up Lee in this thread, bshirt did. Now if you want to talk about a guy that's always bagging a player
I'd be rich if I had a penny for every time bshirt used the "Lee's just a guy who can look great against Sunbelt opponents", and I find it perplexing that the same logic is used the proclaim Taylor as a game-changing monster.I do like Lee a lot and find it hard to root for Taylor under the circumstances, but I still cheer for the Huskers regardless. I am not bashing Taylor so much as trying to defend Lee from a number of unfair bagging-on's, as well as trying to just temper expectations for Taylor because realistically, we've got to be patient with him when he has that 10 carry, 42 yard day. I'm not going to lie though, I am worried that when that happens, the entire offense will disappear along with him. Hopefully, I'm wrong. We'll see.
But back to topic. I think we can acknowledge Locker's skills and talents and that doing so doesn't knock down our own QB. I don't understand why people are trying to knock Locker or put him down. Just because he's a good QB though, doesn't mean the defense will knock the ish out of him, Blaine Gabbert/Colt McCoy style.
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DownwiththeduckS
Walk-on
its not 'biased', its unofficial. i can find hundreds of sources that all say the same thing: locker was timed at 4.39 unofficially, and ivan lewis reported it. again, his lowest official time is 4.43. heres the source: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65735&draftyear=2011&genpos=QB
bshirt
Banned
That's totally unfair zoogies.I see your point, but I'm a skeptic is all. It's hard for me to root for Taylor yet, but I'm seeing him being put up on a pedestal and that is not going to be good for us when he is brought down to earth. He's a freshman - it is going to happen - no need to push the panic button when he does, but I'm thinking that is what will probably occur once Taylor is not averaging 18 yards a carry.
I didn't actually bring up Lee in this thread, bshirt did. Now if you want to talk about a guy that's always bagging a player
I do like Lee a lot and find it hard to root for Taylor under the circumstances, but I still cheer for the Huskers regardless. I am not bashing Taylor so much as trying to defend Lee from a number of unfair bagging-on's, as well as trying to just temper expectations for Taylor because realistically, we've got to be patient with him when he has that 10 carry, 42 yard day. I'm not going to lie though, I am worried that when that happens, the entire offense will disappear along with him. Hopefully, I'm wrong. We'll see.
But back to topic. I think we can acknowledge Locker's skills and talents and that doing so doesn't knock down our own QB. I don't understand why people are trying to knock Locker or put him down. Just because he's a good QB though, doesn't mean the defense will knock the ish out of him, Blaine Gabbert/Colt McCoy style.
I only brought up Lee in reference you always dissing Tmart and suggesting directly or indirectly repeatably that Lee brings more to the table. Anyway.....enough.
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zoogs
Assistant Coach
^ My post.
Your response.
I'm sorry you feel that I am always dissing Tmart. I am suggesting only that the expectations be reigned in. He does some things exceptionally well. Other things, he has a lot to improve on. Last year, it must have seemed like I was dissing Green pretty badly in the preseason and during the season when tons were calling for him to start and others thought he wasn't ready or wasn't good enough of a passer. No matter, the hype went on. By offseason, I was having to defend Green from critics who were now saying he'd never amount to anything. To this day people still have to defend Lucky from those saying he was a huge bust, etc. That's what unrealistic and prematurely high expectations can do to a player. Now we can either say "Taylor is the best thing since sliced bread, just look at his performance" or "Taylor is fast, but that doesn't mean he's a bigger threat than Jake Locker" and view his progression more realistically and with more patience.
Just my 2 cents. You're right, enough.
bshirt
Banned
No biggie at all zoogies. I just get a little excited sometimes.... :koolaid2:
You might very well be proven right as Lee with his experience certainly does bring a lot of good things for NU. He's just a couple hard hits away from saving our ship. Tmart/Green wil probably run the ball a LOT this year and he might be desperately needed anytime. A little patience zoogies......he'll be in there!
This of course is our first "real" test and who knows how it will turn out? But back to the thread.....
I think we'll all see that on the field Locker won't have anything close to Tmart's warp 9 acceleration. UW fans will not like seeing that whatsoever. That he's a 100 times more nimble and agile won't be fun for them either.
If we don't self destruct w/penalties & turnovers (and I very doubt we will) NU will be way too much for the Huskies.
You might very well be proven right as Lee with his experience certainly does bring a lot of good things for NU. He's just a couple hard hits away from saving our ship. Tmart/Green wil probably run the ball a LOT this year and he might be desperately needed anytime. A little patience zoogies......he'll be in there!
This of course is our first "real" test and who knows how it will turn out? But back to the thread.....
I think we'll all see that on the field Locker won't have anything close to Tmart's warp 9 acceleration. UW fans will not like seeing that whatsoever. That he's a 100 times more nimble and agile won't be fun for them either.
If we don't self destruct w/penalties & turnovers (and I very doubt we will) NU will be way too much for the Huskies.
HuskerfaninOkieland
Heisman Trophy Winner
Robert Smith on College Football Live believes Martinez is as fast, if not faster than, Denard Robinson.
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