Jamal...On the Rebound

I'll say I didn't read the article to avoid getting attacked for not doing that but to rebut what AFHusker said:

Maybe the coaches felt that he was going to be a part of the starting WRs come the beginning of the season and through 5 games, he was. I don't think you can redshirt after the 6th game if I'm right. So you think it wasn't too bright to not redshirt a player who was producing for our offense a week before you can't redshirt him anymore?

Not so bright of thinking.

 
Comish said:
Captain Hindsight said:
I still have reservations about how his year was handled nonetheless. It's a nice PR piece and I think everyone knows JT is a great kid. There wasn't anyone more enthusiastic to become a Husker than him. Knowing that he was learning a new position and trying to play it at a D1 level while doing that, I think there were some things that could have been done to get the ball in his hands while he learned. I don't understand how you don't scheme to get the ball in his hands 3 times a game minimum, practice habits or not. He was a quarterback and he could have had a wildcat package for instance.
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While you make some valid points.................and I would have loved to seem him on the field, from a team perspective, how do you allow him some packages and reps if you have told the entire team your playing time is earned on the practice field.....and then there are exceptions??

Seems to me the whole chemistry is affected if 1 is allowed to dog it and is rewarded with PT, and others are held to a differing standard.

By the way, the article I thought was more than just a PR piece. It does answer some questions most of us had about WHY he wasn't seeing the field. Love his attitude now and hope it translates quickly ............maybe as soon as Jan 2........!
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Well said Comish. Was re-watching the Ohio St game last night and there was a play in the redzone where Jamal made a great move on the DB and was wide open on a short post route and even had time to put his hand up. Taylor waited about a second too long, threw it high and missed him. Not to bag on Taylor, but that play was on him.

Not to say Jamal 100% catches that ball, but if the pass was put on him (there was a nice lane to throw as well) I think he catches it. Then who knows where his confidence goes from there. My guess is he doesn't drop that ball against MINN;

 
Captain Hindsight said:
Comish said:
Captain Hindsight said:
I still have reservations about how his year was handled nonetheless. It's a nice PR piece and I think everyone knows JT is a great kid. There wasn't anyone more enthusiastic to become a Husker than him. Knowing that he was learning a new position and trying to play it at a D1 level while doing that, I think there were some things that could have been done to get the ball in his hands while he learned. I don't understand how you don't scheme to get the ball in his hands 3 times a game minimum, practice habits or not. He was a quarterback and he could have had a wildcat package for instance.
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While you make some valid points.................and I would have loved to seem him on the field, from a team perspective, how do you allow him some packages and reps if you have told the entire team your playing time is earned on the practice field.....and then there are exceptions??

Seems to me the whole chemistry is affected if 1 is allowed to dog it and is rewarded with PT, and others are held to a differing standard.

By the way, the article I thought was more than just a PR piece. It does answer some questions most of us had about WHY he wasn't seeing the field. Love his attitude now and hope it translates quickly ............maybe as soon as Jan 2........!
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My comment on the PR aspect of it is due mostly to the fact that I'd already heard the practice habits stories from sources on the message boards a couple months ago. There are a lot of dissimilar treatments of players on this team so speaking for myself I don't see that it's a big issue if he still plays some if he has a bad practice. Some have a long leash and some have a short one. Some can make multiple mistakes and play and some make one and have their face put on a milk carton. He was probably getting frustrated that he knew he could contribute in other ways but was stuck learning and perfecting technique in a new position before he could. Perfectly understandable to me. My opinion is admittedly skewed on this one because I just think the kid is a difference maker on the field.
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No, you only THINK players are being treated differently. Unless you are at practice every day, you don't know how much everyone is messing up or doing what they're coached to do. EVERYONE messes up - Andrew Luck throws INTs, Lavonte David misses tackles (I know, that's almost sacreligious, but it's true), Justin Blackmon dropps passes, etc. The question is, are you doing what is asked and MINIMIZING mistakes? Only coaches and teammates who are around every day know who's getting the best job done.

The players who are out playing the most have the most chances to make mistakes, that's just how it is. But that doesn't mean the players behind them are better. JT is a great example - even weeks after the first articles came out about how he wasn't giving everything he had in practice, message boarders were still bemoaning Bo's "doghouse." Don't try to confuse their arguement with the facts. I liked what I heard from JT when the stories first came out and like him even more after reading this article. I love how's he's looking at it: this season's over, time to start a new one. With the story he's got, this won't keep him down for long. Big things are ahead!

 
Mavric said:
No, you only THINK players are being treated differently. Unless you are at practice every day, you don't know how much everyone is messing up or doing what they're coached to do. EVERYONE messes up - Andrew Luck throws INTs, Lavonte David misses tackles (I know, that's almost sacreligious, but it's true), Justin Blackmon dropps passes, etc. The question is, are you doing what is asked and MINIMIZING mistakes? Only coaches and teammates who are around every day know who's getting the best job done.

The players who are out playing the most have the most chances to make mistakes, that's just how it is. But that doesn't mean the players behind them are better. JT is a great example - even weeks after the first articles came out about how he wasn't giving everything he had in practice, message boarders were still bemoaning Bo's "doghouse." Don't try to confuse their arguement with the facts. I liked what I heard from JT when the stories first came out and like him even more after reading this article. I love how's he's looking at it: this season's over, time to start a new one. With the story he's got, this won't keep him down for long. Big things are ahead!
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So you're at practice every day? If so good for you because then you can tell all of us the "facts". Or, are you just speculating on what you THINK is going on which is what all of us here do?

Each coaching staff makes a lot of decisions on who to play and why. They all think they are doing it in the manner that will give them the best chance to win. Still, they are all human and not infallible and fans will question those decisions from time to time.

 
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Captain Hindsight said:
Mavric said:
No, you only THINK players are being treated differently. Unless you are at practice every day, you don't know how much everyone is messing up or doing what they're coached to do. EVERYONE messes up - Andrew Luck throws INTs, Lavonte David misses tackles (I know, that's almost sacreligious, but it's true), Justin Blackmon dropps passes, etc. The question is, are you doing what is asked and MINIMIZING mistakes? Only coaches and teammates who are around every day know who's getting the best job done.

The players who are out playing the most have the most chances to make mistakes, that's just how it is. But that doesn't mean the players behind them are better. JT is a great example - even weeks after the first articles came out about how he wasn't giving everything he had in practice, message boarders were still bemoaning Bo's "doghouse." Don't try to confuse their arguement with the facts. I liked what I heard from JT when the stories first came out and like him even more after reading this article. I love how's he's looking at it: this season's over, time to start a new one. With the story he's got, this won't keep him down for long. Big things are ahead!
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So you're at practice every day? What credentials do you hold? Or, are you just speculating on what you THINK is going on which is what all of us here do?
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i love speculation......never had so many experts since internet boards were around........lol

 
So someone gets called out on their opinion, then they call out the person for having an opinion on their opinion in an effort to support their own opinion. Just another day in the life of Huskerboard.

 
Bye Bye Big XII said:
I'll say I didn't read the article to avoid getting attacked for not doing that but to rebut what AFHusker said:

Maybe the coaches felt that he was going to be a part of the starting WRs come the beginning of the season and through 5 games, he was. I don't think you can redshirt after the 6th game if I'm right. So you think it wasn't too bright to not redshirt a player who was producing for our offense a week before you can't redshirt him anymore?

Not so bright of thinking.
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Our first 5 games were against 4 high school quality teams and one lower level college team in Washington. Anyone that played could have looked good against them. My point is that he came here as a QB and if you are going to play him at WR and burn his RS, then you are going to have to take the bad with the good aka blocking. And then to bench him when we hit the meat of the schedule it a waste of the season. It would have made more sense to keep him playing or just don't play him at all.

 
AFhusker said:
Bye Bye Big XII said:
I'll say I didn't read the article to avoid getting attacked for not doing that but to rebut what AFHusker said:

Maybe the coaches felt that he was going to be a part of the starting WRs come the beginning of the season and through 5 games, he was. I don't think you can redshirt after the 6th game if I'm right. So you think it wasn't too bright to not redshirt a player who was producing for our offense a week before you can't redshirt him anymore?

Not so bright of thinking.
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Our first 5 games were against 4 high school quality teams and one lower level college team in Washington. Anyone that played could have looked good against them. My point is that he came here as a QB and if you are going to play him at WR and burn his RS, then you are going to have to take the bad with the good aka blocking. And then to bench him when we hit the meat of the schedule it a waste of the season. It would have made more sense to keep him playing or just don't play him at all.
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Gripe understood. Legitimate grievance. But you said Wisconsin was a high school quality team...and Washington was better than them.

 
The point of this is that Turner was contributing to the team during the first 5-6 weeks of the year and it looked like he would be able to play at that high level throughout the year, that's why his redshirt was burned. He was a playmaker and the coaches wanted him on the field. Halfway through the season he takes a hit in his confidence and that brings everything down. If we would have played him, he would not have contributed to the team. Pretty much straight from his mouth in Nywata's(?) article. He does have all the athletic ability in the world but he wasn't playing up to his ability. He wasn't playing not because he was in a coach's doghouse, but because Marlowe beat him out.

 
Merry Christmas! Very nice article. I'm so sorry to hear about his mother-MS is such a wicked disease :( Glad to hear he is ready to start over again! I hope he gets to play come Jan. 2nd and that he has a great game. GBR!

 
I really loved the part about the "Jamal Drill" aren't our coaches just hilarious? I mean let's mock a freshmen who dropped what could have been a catch that could have launched his freshmen year to new heights and kept him on the field and kept his confidence where we all would have loved for it to have been, yet when Brandon Kinnie has dropped everything thrown his way in the last two years there's no "Kinnie Drill" or no hey let's throw like Taylor Martinez drill. But no it's all in good fun by our coaches because they know how to make practice fun and joke around.

 
COMPTON said:
I really loved the part about the "Jamal Drill" aren't our coaches just hilarious? I mean let's mock a freshmen who dropped what could have been a catch that could have launched his freshmen year to new heights and kept him on the field and kept his confidence where we all would have loved for it to have been, yet when Brandon Kinnie has dropped everything thrown his way in the last two years there's no "Kinnie Drill" or no hey let's throw like Taylor Martinez drill. But no it's all in good fun by our coaches because they know how to make practice fun and joke around.
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I also did not care for the Jamal Drill name.

 
flatwaterfan said:
COMPTON said:
I really loved the part about the "Jamal Drill" aren't our coaches just hilarious? I mean let's mock a freshmen who dropped what could have been a catch that could have launched his freshmen year to new heights and kept him on the field and kept his confidence where we all would have loved for it to have been, yet when Brandon Kinnie has dropped everything thrown his way in the last two years there's no "Kinnie Drill" or no hey let's throw like Taylor Martinez drill. But no it's all in good fun by our coaches because they know how to make practice fun and joke around.
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I also did not care for the Jamal Drill name.
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agree, where the hell is the sports psychology in that flavor? some coach who thought that up should receive the a$$-hat of the year award!

 
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