Joe Ganz on OWH The Bottom Line today

ColoradoHusk said:
Ganz says "If I had started over Keller, and the team continued to lose, that might have cost BC his job right away."

Still takes it to his grave that he beat out Keller during Spring and Fall camp.
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I love me some Joe Ganz. But in the best head-to-head competition we were able to see, the 2007 Spring Game, Keller was the better quarterback. He threw to the spot, before the break, while Ganz threw to the man. Did that over and over, both in warmup and the game. In Callahan's offense the timing was key, and Keller had that down better than Ganz.

Joe could (literally) run circles around Keller, and I have no problems with his play. But I am not on board with his assessment he beat Keller out. Keller was more polished for the offense Callahan wanted to run.

I know that's a terrible opinion to have here, and if we had negative rep I'd get like -20 for this post, but it's the truth.

 
Soup, Callahan isn't saying that NU should stop recruiting CA, TX, FL, and other states that are "far away". His point is that it's "easier" to get kids to come to NU if they are within driving distance. The same is true for any school.

NU needs to lock down the 500 mile radius and get the best kids out of those states. If NU does that, that will be a great starting point for each class. If NU can get 10-12 kids from Denver to Chicago to St. Louis to Oklahoma, then they can fill in the remaining spots from "special" players from outside states.

But to think that it's just as easy and "cheap" to take a flight to Omaha from Louisiana, Florida, or California as it is to drive from KC, Denver, or Chicago is just plain stupid.

 
How long have a vast majority of this board mentioned locking down the 500 mile radius? You lock down SD,NE,CO,KS,IA and MO and you can field a consistent top 15 program. You break through that ceiling by icing the cake with CA, TX and FL and even NJ. This was our formula when we went from always really good to winning titles.

 
Also, S Callahan's comments about plane tickets being expensive, he was referencing the cost for kids and parents paying for those costs, not the NU athletic department.

This is why NU has been pushing for official visits in the Spring before recruits' senior year. With official visits, the school pays for all travel expenses. With unofficial visits, the kid/parent has to pay for all travel expenses. That is why most kids will take unofficial visits to schools that are within driving distance of their homes.

 
knapplc said:
ColoradoHusk said:
Ganz says "If I had started over Keller, and the team continued to lose, that might have cost BC his job right away."

Still takes it to his grave that he beat out Keller during Spring and Fall camp.
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I love me some Joe Ganz. But in the best head-to-head competition we were able to see, the 2007 Spring Game, Keller was the better quarterback. He threw to the spot, before the break, while Ganz threw to the man. Did that over and over, both in warmup and the game. In Callahan's offense the timing was key, and Keller had that down better than Ganz.

Joe could (literally) run circles around Keller, and I have no problems with his play. But I am not on board with his assessment he beat Keller out. Keller was more polished for the offense Callahan wanted to run.

I know that's a terrible opinion to have here, and if we had negative rep I'd get like -20 for this post, but it's the truth.
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knapplc said:
ColoradoHusk said:
Ganz says "If I had started over Keller, and the team continued to lose, that might have cost BC his job right away."

Still takes it to his grave that he beat out Keller during Spring and Fall camp.
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I love me some Joe Ganz. But in the best head-to-head competition we were able to see, the 2007 Spring Game, Keller was the better quarterback. He threw to the spot, before the break, while Ganz threw to the man. Did that over and over, both in warmup and the game. In Callahan's offense the timing was key, and Keller had that down better than Ganz.

Joe could (literally) run circles around Keller, and I have no problems with his play. But I am not on board with his assessment he beat Keller out. Keller was more polished for the offense Callahan wanted to run.

I know that's a terrible opinion to have here, and if we had negative rep I'd get like -20 for this post, but it's the truth.
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Keller gets such a bad rep here in hindsight. It's like people forget he was on pace to have a better season than Zac did the year before, and somehow Ganz slinging it for 400+ yards because Callahan was trying to show off his system proves something.

I, too, don't see any secret handshakes behind the Keller/Ganz battle. Sam was the better quarterback option for us that year.

 
admo said:
ColoradoHusk said:
Commenting on Ohio State game when NU got booed at home, and then Bo made his comments on the fans' negativity. Ganz was excited and pumped, while Bo wanted to focus on the fans booing. Ganz says even though nobody wants to get booed at home, the team kind of deserved it after the way they played in the first half.
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IMO if Braxton Miller does not roll an ankle with the lead, and Joe Bauserman does not come into the game, the comeback doesn't happen, the boos would have increased, and Bo would've really been hot.

Or hotter.
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If Miller had not rolled that ankle, that could have been another record...largest home loss...he was taking the wood to us...in my mind that win will always have an * by it.

 
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Hedley Lamarr said:
How long have a vast majority of this board mentioned locking down the 500 mile radius? You lock down SD,NE,CO,KS,IA and MO and you can field a consistent top 15 program. You break through that ceiling by icing the cake with CA, TX and FL and even NJ. This was our formula when we went from always really good to winning titles.
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...and Missouri wasn't in the SEC coming off a better decade than NE, Kansas had no facilities, Iowa was Iowa, CO hadn't yet legalized weed and moved west, we were playing south not north...

...the formula is a little different today, don't you think? We aren't locking down MO today...Saban/Meyer wouldn't "lock down" MO as a Husker coach. SD, NE, KS might get you 4-5 recruits a year. IA 2-3, CO 2. That isn't landing you in the top 15, even if we double our pull from within that 500.

 
Anyone else think that Ganz might just be looking into a radio job here in Omaha? I think that might be his next path.

 
soup said:
NUinID said:
soup said:
ColoradoHusk said:
S Callahan - want to get kids who can drive to Lincoln. Plane tickets are expensive.
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Sigh...... smh

Again, how easy is it to fly into Tuscaloosa, or Knoxville, Tallahassee, or ANY college town for that matter. Garbage and excuses. Self fulfilling prophecy, etc, etc. You can fly into Omaha, from just about anywhere for $200 on Southwest. It ain't tough.
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Man, you really don' t know d&ck. Nebraska as a state is just short of 500 miles across., bout 250 top to bottom. From Tuscaloosa to Atlanta it is right at 200 miles. From Tuscaloosa to New Orleans it is about 280 miles. That doesn't include all the small towns in between the big cities that all of the 4-5 star recruits that go to Alabama or LSU or Georgia live in. That is an easy drive to get to the game that starts at 2:30. I leave Atlanta at 8 AM I am in Tuscaloosa no later than noon.

I can't believe you really don't think that makes a difference.
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Well, I'm glad you aren't in charge of the football program then. We might as well just say the heck with it, and just fold up the program.

Last time I checked there are these things called airplanes, and they let people fly all over the place in just hours for a very low price.
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Must be nice living in a world where money doesn't matter. I have no idea where you get you find your $200 flights. That's a good deal on a flight from St. Louis. The kids you are talking about would be taking much longer flights, $200 is the cost of a one way ticket from California, Texas, or Florida. That's $800 for just your parents to come watch and spend 1-2 days in Lincoln. What do they do if they have younger siblings? I just drove from St. Louis to Omaha with a trip to Lincoln for the basketball game and spent less than $100 total for gas. Even if gas prices go back up, you are paying less than half the cost of 1 plane ticket and you can take the whole family. The 500 mile radius makes alot of sense to me and it's not like we still aren't getting alot of kids from Cali, Tx, or FL.

 
ColoradoHusk said:
Soup, Callahan isn't saying that NU should stop recruiting CA, TX, FL, and other states that are "far away". His point is that it's "easier" to get kids to come to NU if they are within driving distance. The same is true for any school.

NU needs to lock down the 500 mile radius and get the best kids out of those states. If NU does that, that will be a great starting point for each class. If NU can get 10-12 kids from Denver to Chicago to St. Louis to Oklahoma, then they can fill in the remaining spots from "special" players from outside states.

But to think that it's just as easy and "cheap" to take a flight to Omaha from Louisiana, Florida, or California as it is to drive from KC, Denver, or Chicago is just plain stupid.
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Very well put. No one is saying don't recruit from CA, TX or FL, but to think it is easy because it is easy to get on an airplane or cheap to get on an airplane is ,IMO, looking at the situation as someone who frequently gets on a plane and flies around the country all the time.

Some of these kids literally are getting on a plane for the first time when they come on an official visit to Nebraska. It is just harder to recruit from a long distance.

 
kchusker_chris said:
Hedley Lamarr said:
How long have a vast majority of this board mentioned locking down the 500 mile radius? You lock down SD,NE,CO,KS,IA and MO and you can field a consistent top 15 program. You break through that ceiling by icing the cake with CA, TX and FL and even NJ. This was our formula when we went from always really good to winning titles.
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...and Missouri wasn't in the SEC coming off a better decade than NE, Kansas had no facilities, Iowa was Iowa, CO hadn't yet legalized weed and moved west, we were playing south not north...

...the formula is a little different today, don't you think? We aren't locking down MO today...Saban/Meyer wouldn't "lock down" MO as a Husker coach. SD, NE, KS might get you 4-5 recruits a year. IA 2-3, CO 2. That isn't landing you in the top 15, even if we double our pull from within that 500.
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However, if you lock down the best players from the "500 mile radius" you are probably getting very talented guys who can play on the o-line on offense and d-line and LB on defense. Then the coaches can go to the "speed states" for the skill positions. It will always be a mix. Nobody is saying "NU needs to only recruit in the surrounding states" and nobody is saying "NU can just forget about recruiting in NE, SD, KS, CO, IA, and MO, and only recruit in TX, CA, and the South."

 
ColoradoHusk said:
However, if you lock down the best players from the "500 mile radius" you are probably getting very talented guys who can play on the o-line on offense and d-line and LB on defense. Then the coaches can go to the "speed states" for the skill positions. It will always be a mix. Nobody is saying "NU needs to only recruit in the surrounding states" and nobody is saying "NU can just forget about recruiting in NE, SD, KS, CO, IA, and MO, and only recruit in TX, CA, and the South."
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And what I'm saying is that you're spending too much time in CO if you think Nebraska can lock down the 500 miles radius considering the change we've seen over the last 20 years. Missouri can out-recruit Nebraska for the best KC kids....they do almost every year. Nebraska is lucky to pull 2-3 of the top 15 MO recruits - and that has NOTHING to do with Pelini's recruiting and everything to do w/ the competition he faces in that state versus 20 years ago.

 
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