Kinnie

[kchusker_chris]

kinnie is a big guy - yet his drops usually come on the slants across the middle. he's hesitant. you don't see him dropping the balls thrown to the sideline. bell's drop came across the middle as well - which he's a freshman/twig so I can understand a little more. but kinnie should be a threat in the middle of the field, instead he's a liability - tipping those higher passes because you can't catch them is going to bite us in the a$$ before the season ends.

 

[junior4949]

Concentration is about the only thing I can come up with. I don't believe for one second talent has anything to do with it. Like some have said, these guys have been catching a ball since they were probably two or three years old. Some of the drops get magnified by the amount of passes thrown their way. Terrell Owens comes to mind. He typically led the league in dropped passes per year, but everyone forgets this because of what he did with the ball on the ones he caught. Our WR's just don't get that many attempts, so a drop really is magnified. I think those dropping the passes are just concentrating so hard on what they're going to do after they make the catch. I thought originally it was coaching, but after changing coaches this doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[3rd and long]

The consistent ball theory is bunk.

What are saying is bunk Knapp? Surely you're not saying that a QB who consistently hits his receivers in stride and doesn't force them to jump, dive, or contort their bodies to make a catch isn't better than one who makes his receivers do that in order to make a catch. Thats a big issue they're having with Tebow right now, his passes, while getting (sometimes) to the receivers, are off just enough that it impede either the catch itself, or the run after the catch.

 

[knapplc]

The consistency argument removes blame from the guy not catching the ball in his hands.

 

[3rd and long]

The consistency argument removes blame from the guy not catching the ball in his hands.

I think I've been as defensive of the receivers as anyone, and I'm still not excusing the receivers from dropping balls that hit them right in the hands, as long as they are not having to make an big bodily adjustment to get their hands on the ball, ala Bell's dive. If that ball is thrown at waist or chest heigth then it's all on him. As it was, the ball was thrown low, not a horrible throw by any means and one that could have been caught, but also not a routine catch. But consistent throws mean hitting the receivers in the best possible spot for them to make the catch simple.

 

[knapplc]

Bell's dive is the exception to the drops, not the rule. Nobody is calling him out for not making that catch.

 

[3rd and long]

Bell's dive is the exception to the drops, not the rule. Nobody is calling him out for not making that catch.

Actually, I think a lot of people are calling him out for that. I was simply using that one has an example of why the consistency of passes locations does have an impact.

 

[knapplc]

Bell's dive is the exception to the drops, not the rule. Nobody is calling him out for not making that catch.

Actually, I think a lot of people are calling him out for that. I was simply using that one has an example of why the consistency of passes locations does have an impact.

You've said that before, and I'm just not seeing those posts. Where is the hue and cry over Bell's diving miss?

 

[3rd and long]

Bell's dive is the exception to the drops, not the rule. Nobody is calling him out for not making that catch.

Actually, I think a lot of people are calling him out for that. I was simply using that one has an example of why the consistency of passes locations does have an impact.

You've said that before, and I'm just not seeing those posts. Where is the hue and cry over Bell's diving miss?

I know I have. Take a look at the PSU game thread, specifically posts 220-228, right after it happened. It's been mentioned in other threads also, but can't cite you specifics because I'm too lazy to go back through them all to find the posts.

 

[knapplc]

I wouldn't call instant reactions in the game thread the most reliable gauges of common opinion.

 

[Enhance]

I wouldn't call instant reactions in the game thread the most reliable gauges of common opinion.

That's why I think the best time to ask a sports fan a question is Wednesday. They're about as over from the highs (or lows) of the last weekend's game as possible, and they haven't reached the highs or lows of the upcoming game.

 

[kchusker_chris]

I'll call out Bell for not making that catch. It was there for him - in fact it's probably more catchable where Martinez put it than if it had been higher because that increases the likelyhood that he gets smoked. He's also not thinking about the run after the catch when it's low like that. All he had to do was catch the ball. Instead it hits him in the hands and he bobbles it.

If Bell had dropped just one or two passes of recent it wouldn't be an issue - but he's be missed catches in the last 3 games or so. Kinnie as well. This "slump" he may come out of isn't a just a few games - it's all season w/ the EXCEPTION being a couple games in the middle. Meanwhile one of our best WR sits in the apparent doghouse. Frustrating. I'm sure it's frustrating for Martinez as well. He's doing his best to really debunk this whole "can't pass" thing - but a lot of this is entirely out of his hands. He's not in the pros, he's not Peyton/Brady - his passes won't be perfect. But, lately Martinez has rarely been off the mark far - and when he is it's because he's putting a low percentage pass into a place where only his receiver can get at it. Those aren't the ones that are consistently being dropped though.

 

[Calvin]

The consistency argument removes blame from the guy not catching the ball in his hands.

I wasn't trying to remove blame from the WR in question, just pointing out it possibly was more than just "Kinnie can't catch". There are more factors that we don't see on game day, but the receivers and QB go through every day in practice. If you watch the WR's reactions when the ball is on them, you can tell that consistency is a factor. Not the reason. A factor.

 

[knapplc]

The consistency argument removes blame from the guy not catching the ball in his hands.

I wasn't trying to remove blame from the WR in question, just pointing out it possibly was more than just "Kinnie can't catch". There are more factors that we don't see on game day, but the receivers and QB go through every day in practice. If you watch the WR's reactions when the ball is on them, you can tell that consistency is a factor. Not the reason. A factor.

Hah! Glad you finally joined up! Took you long enough.

Make yourself at home, ORS.

I get your "factor" argument, and I don't want to say it's "NOT a factor." I just think it's more on the WR than the QB in that scenario.

 

[caveman99]

Still.................if it's 3rd and 8 in the 4th qt at the Big House..................I trust Marlowe more than Kinnie right now............

Marlowe has played his heart out lately. That grab against Minnesota was really nice, he just seems to have a nails type demeanor. I know everyone keeps knocking his speed and want to see Jamal, all I know is that Marlowe always seems to make the play. I don't know if you can say that about anyone else on O beside Rex.