The whole 12th man tradition is pretty cool. Other schools may do something similar--I don't know the history on that. I always thought it was an aTm thing. :thumbs :1. Do you honestly think A&M and West Point are the only places to use that motto? Do you accuse all schools or institutions who also use that motto as "stealing?"
2. The Aggies' use of 12th Man has no relation to Iowa. They referenced it one time in some random article. We had a student literally called down from the stands in the 1922 Dixie Classic to suit up because so many players were injured. He stood by the coach waiting to go in all game. The students now stand all game to symbolize our readiness. That's our tradition, and its a great one.
And anyone who does stupid crap, no matter the university, probably does deserve to be called out, and Confederate flags are up there with "how stupid can you be?" It is ironic that this year's Corps Commander is African-American.
I don't get why calling everyone who displays a Confederate Flag is stupid. I own one and display it proudly. I'm a southerner who now lives in Nebraska. I was born in Mobile, Alabama and damn proud of who I am where I came from. I'm proud of my family and my heritage and everything they've fought for. I'm not proud of everything the south has done or this entire country either. Racism and slavery is a black eye for the country it self not just the few in the south that tried to leave and form their own nation. So calling people stupid because of the flag is wrong, not all of us are racist.AgMarauder04 said:1. Do you honestly think A&M and West Point are the only places to use that motto? Do you accuse all schools or institutions who also use that motto as "stealing?"
2. The Aggies' use of 12th Man has no relation to Iowa. They referenced it one time in some random article. We had a student literally called down from the stands in the 1922 Dixie Classic to suit up because so many players were injured. He stood by the coach waiting to go in all game. The students now stand all game to symbolize our readiness. That's our tradition, and its a great one.
And anyone who does stupid crap, no matter the university, probably does deserve to be called out, and Confederate flags are up there with "how stupid can you be?" It is ironic that this year's Corps Commander is African-American.
I can see why people see it and think racist. A lot of it is because of the history under the flag and how a lot of racist a$$hats do wave that flag. But what a lot of people don't realize is that slavery was also in the north as well but no where near the level the south had. The laws that were made in favor of slavery by the US government helped shapped a lot of the states we have today, mainly the state of Texas.That's fair. I can see why some (like the student from South Carolina) see it more as a way to honor their roots and symbolize southern culture. It is the number 1 symbol that represents the South...rightly or wrongly. Unfortunately, in today's day and age (and political culture) it also represents racism, which I'm afraid most people see....and for many years, A&M was labeled a racist institution.
We were even called as such when we hired Mike Sherman because no minorities were inteviewed.
So do I - I would hope we don't make light of that tragedy. Let's keep it fun, folks. Thanks.Where you going with the Bonfire photos? Forest service has been overseen by A&M for a long time.
I just hope you're not going where I think you're going with this...