Marlon Lucky's Hospital Stay

[Bug Tooth]

....why don't you and bug dope leave well enough alone....................

So we're just to sit back and trust Callahan without question? The guy that has rocked the boat ever since he got here, who simply walked into Ostergards office and said "You're fired" without reason or cause?

My stomach's queezy after reading this article about the Head Trainer getting the abrupt "heave ho". I'm worried he's mishandling the Lucky incident as well. :hmmph

NU Gives Head Trainer No Explanation For Wanting Him Gone

By JONATHAN CROWL / Daily Nebraskan

Feb. 22, 2007

A FAMILIAR TREND

It was a surprise to Ostergard that Callahan even had the authority to fire him, particularly because it was Dr. Lonnie Albers, the director of Athletic Medicine, who filled out his evaluations - not the head football coach.

"Anybody in any profession has the right to know and be given a good reason," Makovicka says. "Not only Doak, but everybody else. He's been there a long time … and I think it would have been fair for the university to give him a reason."

Ostergard's departure falls in line with several others who were dismissed without explanation during Pederson's time as athletic director. They all share the trait that there was no explanation for why the department took the actions it did.

Andy Birkel created a huff on his way out at Nebraska. When the wide receiver met with Callahan following the 2004 season, the head coach offered no explanation for Birkel's significant drop in playing time from his freshman to sophomore seasons.

"He was really short with me, very rude, very unprofessional," Birkel told The Associated Press at the time.

The same characteristics marked the dismissal of a secretary who worked for the Athletic Department for 31 years before Pederson arrived in 2002.

According to a former employee in the Athletic Department, the secretary was informed within one week of Pederson's hiring that her services would no longer be required.

Pederson never responded to any inquiries by the fired secretary requesting an explanation.

Ostergard isn't sure what the next step is for him, but he's confident it won't involve being an athletic trainer anywhere else.

"Trainers are often underappreciated, underpaid and they work a lot of hours. I'm a Nebraska guy. My old job is not one that I could do without having a strong passion for the program and the people."

http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/displ...2/45ddc42f005ea

 

[BIGREDFAN_in_OMAHA]

There's a lot of rambling and speculation going on here. That's nothing new.

If he wasn't before I'm sure Lucky will be under caring supervision.

This care you speak of, would this be the same kind of caring supervision Scott Baldwin was under? Or, would it be the same kind of caring supervision that lightening Larry Phillips was under?

Is it really the university's job to carefully supervise anyone? If and that's a big if right now Lucky did try to commit suicide, I'm assuming the state would step in and force him into phsychiatric help and evaluation. I'm pretty sure it's still against the law here in Nebraska to commit or attempt suicide. I've never understood this law as how do you punish someone who committed suicide? However, it's still the law. If he did attempt, he'll more than likely be put on probation and forced into some kind of self help program.

In terms of the 300 pills, I'm in the camp that believes it's possible. If they were small pills and he "chugged" the bottle, it's very possible. It's kind of the same mentality as to how someone can drink a 6 pack of beer in like 5 minutes. If you're drinking from the can, it's pretty hard. If you're drinking from a beer bong, very possible.

I have no idea what really happened. However, I will agree that it is kind of mysterious that someone wouldn't have released a statement as to why he was hospitalized.

I'm not proposing the players have armed escorts. Just a buddy system would help.

Maybe playing runningback at Nebraska is the highest stress position anyone can have in the country. It might not be coincidence that the names Baldwin and Phillips get brought up for their fractured psyches. If a female astronaut that is under constant psychological profiling can crack it's not surprising that young college kids can.

 

[MCAT800]

So we're just to sit back and trust Callahan without question? The guy that has rocked the boat ever since he got here, who simply walked into Ostergards office and said "You're fired" without reason or cause?

I'm not sticking up for BC but he is not the issue here.

Marlon is, and he has federal privacy laws that protect him.

If he wants us to know then he will go to the press when he feels the time is right.

I am a firefighter and we must follow HIPPA laws, for example last week my wife was in the station when we got toned out for a snow board accident at the ski resort.

Upon returning from the wreck I nver said anything to my wife about the incident.

The kid involved happened to be her very close friends kid.

The kid ended up being life flighted and I still never told my wife anything about the event and then she found out through another friend. Needless to say it wasn't my place to tell her and she understands that by law I can't tell her anything.

 

[DaveH]

So we're just to sit back and trust Callahan without question? The guy that has rocked the boat ever since he got here, who simply walked into Ostergards office and said "You're fired" without reason or cause?

You know that for a fact?

 

[tattooedhusker]

....why don't you and bug dope leave well enough alone....................

So we're just to sit back and trust Callahan without question? The guy that has rocked the boat ever since he got here, who simply walked into Ostergards office and said "You're fired" without reason or cause?

My stomach's queezy after reading this article about the Head Trainer getting the abrupt "heave ho". I'm worried he's mishandling the Lucky incident as well. :hmmph

NU Gives Head Trainer No Explanation For Wanting Him Gone

By JONATHAN CROWL / Daily Nebraskan

Feb. 22, 2007

A FAMILIAR TREND

It was a surprise to Ostergard that Callahan even had the authority to fire him, particularly because it was Dr. Lonnie Albers, the director of Athletic Medicine, who filled out his evaluations - not the head football coach.

"Anybody in any profession has the right to know and be given a good reason," Makovicka says. "Not only Doak, but everybody else. He's been there a long time … and I think it would have been fair for the university to give him a reason."

Ostergard's departure falls in line with several others who were dismissed without explanation during Pederson's time as athletic director. They all share the trait that there was no explanation for why the department took the actions it did.

Andy Birkel created a huff on his way out at Nebraska. When the wide receiver met with Callahan following the 2004 season, the head coach offered no explanation for Birkel's significant drop in playing time from his freshman to sophomore seasons.

"He was really short with me, very rude, very unprofessional," Birkel told The Associated Press at the time.

The same characteristics marked the dismissal of a secretary who worked for the Athletic Department for 31 years before Pederson arrived in 2002.

According to a former employee in the Athletic Department, the secretary was informed within one week of Pederson's hiring that her services would no longer be required.

Pederson never responded to any inquiries by the fired secretary requesting an explanation.

Ostergard isn't sure what the next step is for him, but he's confident it won't involve being an athletic trainer anywhere else.

"Trainers are often underappreciated, underpaid and they work a lot of hours. I'm a Nebraska guy. My old job is not one that I could do without having a strong passion for the program and the people."

http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/displ...2/45ddc42f005ea

so it finally rears it's ugly head

 

[coyeote]

As far as Doak goes the University knows what happened, the boosters know what happened and none of them are jumping up and down for Cally's head. Could mean that all of them are not real bright or it could mean that they beleve Cally made a good move. It's not a matter of trusting everything BC or SP do, it's about trusting that the people in the organization and involved in the organization trust that the right thing was done................unless we as fans know more than the university as well as the boosters..............Hey I may be onto something.

 

[Bug Tooth]

You know that for a fact?

What? That is was Callahan that chunked him, that there was no explanation given for it, or that it was in his office? I don't know that it was in his office but according to the individuals that were quoted in the article, the rest is factual.

so it finally rears it's ugly head

What? That Callahan might be mishandling things? Yes, I believe it's very possible.

 

[MadcatNU]

I think the way things are be handled now about keeping it private and letting Marlon get back to his everyday life is a way better approach than going public with what happened and have the media blow this whole thing way out of proportion.

i've been pretty quiet on this subject, but i want to comment about how so many people think it's better for this to be kept quiet than going public with it...

:rant

How the hell do you know that's it the best way to handle the situation? Nobody even knows what exactly the situation is. The only real question is wether or not you trust the people that are privy to the information to handle it correctly. Don't confuse a "yes" to that question to being a "yes" to another.

:rant

The things that we do know are that Lucky suddenly ended up in the hospital in critical condition when there were no known health issues that should've put him there. Most common rumors that it was an OD. No matter how it happened, it's unnverving, but since that rumor was so consistent i think it's worth exploring. There's lots of reasons kids end up in the hospital with an OD, and it's not uncommon for some of the reasons to be a really big warning sign and cry for attention. Everyone being so tight lipped about it gives me the impression that they are basically trying to pretend it never happened, which is definitely not the way you want to handle somebody crying out for help. I realize this is Lucky's situation and i respect his choice to keep it private. Hopefully it will all work out, because worst case scenario is that we've got a ticking time bomb waiting to go off.

Also, i doubt they will be able to keep this a secret forever. Sooner or later someone's going to find out and word will spread. Personally, i think it's better to deal with the situation head on and get it over with. But Lucky probably knows how to handle this better than I, so if he's not ready now that's fine. But make no mistake, sooner or later he'll have to answer some tough questions about this. I hope he's ready when the time comes, otherwise a big mess is just being delayed.

Once again, i respect Lucky's choice to privacy. However, i'm more than a little nervous that we havn't heard the end of this. I do have a lot of faith in the people involved to do the right thing, but that doesn't mean that i know for a fact that everything is being handled properly.

"On the next 'Beyond the Glory'"

lol. i admit i might of gone a little overboard... but i'm getting sick of people saying "we don't know anything, so just shut up with the bad vibes" but at the same time saying "everything is going well". it's contradictory

 

[MadcatNU]

Sense when does being a fan entitle you as the fan to know the details of a players personal life????

Reading comprehension MCAT.... i never said i felt entitled to know anything. In fact i said it's Marlon's choice and if he doesn't want to come out with it, that's fine. However, that doesn't mean that there aren't potentially problems and I am concerned that, if so, such problems aren't over. But i don't really want to get into that... just saying i'm a little worried we havn't heard the end of this, but here's hoping for the best.

Ask yourself this, if Marlon was just a student at NU would you be so deeply concerned as you are now about this kids personal well-being????????

i'd be concerned for anyone that ended up in critical condition in the hospital. If he was just another student, then my concern wouldn't also be mixed to my love of my football team.

Also you stated more than once how you want to honor his privacy then why don't you and bug dope leave well enough alone....................

maybe you should take a look in the mirror. It's a two way street you are on and Bug isn't in here having a conversation with himself. Saying that everything is fine and the right things are being done is speculating too. Just because those speculations are positive doesn't give them anymore merit or make them any better than speculaitons the other way. That's what i'm trying to point out... although apparently saying anything other than life is fine and wonderful is grounds for assault around here.

and please don't lump me in with Bug. i'm pretty sure he got some sort of agenda against BC. I'm more saying that if we are going to shut up about it, which i think we should, then both sides have to shut up.

 

[DaveH]

Is\Was Doak's employment contract based?

 

[AR Husker Fan]

Geeez the off season sucks.

Universities are not covered entities under HIPAA, universities are not regulated by the Department of Health and Human Services. A universty hospital/clinic would be though.

Under HIPAA, a "covered entity" is a health plan, a health care clearinghouse, or a health care provider who transmits any health information in electronic form in connection with a HIPAA transaction. Also see Part II, 45 CFR 160.103.

The term "health care provider" is broad - it includes physicians, who are not regulated by CMS. This means a physician employed by the university; it may even include trainers, although I have checked to see whether there is any case law on that point.

Likewise, insurance companies are included in that term, and they are not covered by HHS/CMS.

Tthe doctor is legally prohibitied from releasing that medical information to anyone but Marlon and his legal representative (parents, guardian, or designees), unless they authorize it. That means that, if you follow the chain, the only way the university would receive it would be if the doctor was authorized to disclose it. By authorizing that release, the information is removed from HIPAA status, and the university can release it (assuming that the Student Privacy Act or some other law doesn't otherwise prohibit it).

Did the university pay for the treatment or care? If so, then they are, in fact, a covered entity as well as they provide a health plan.

The status depends on the function - not whether the entity is regulated by HHS/CMS.

 

[mbhusker13]

Yep Born Red, now we have I love Solich so I'll b!^@h constantly about Bill's playcalling replaced by. He fired Doak, so I'll b!^@h about Lucky. Hidden agenda's are a f*ckin' riot. Where's my beer?

 

[MCAT800]

Sense when does being a fan entitle you as the fan to know the details of a players personal life????

Reading comprehension MCAT.... i never said i felt entitled to know anything. In fact i said it's Marlon's choice and if he doesn't want to come out with it, that's fine. However, that doesn't mean that there aren't potentially problems and I am concerned that, if so, such problems aren't over. But i don't really want to get into that... just saying i'm a little worried we havn't heard the end of this, but here's hoping for the best.

Ask yourself this, if Marlon was just a student at NU would you be so deeply concerned as you are now about this kids personal well-being????????

i'd be concerned for anyone that ended up in critical condition in the hospital. If he was just another student, then my concern wouldn't also be mixed to my love of my football team.

Also you stated more than once how you want to honor his privacy then why don't you and bug dope leave well enough alone....................

maybe you should take a look in the mirror. It's a two way street you are on and Bug isn't in here having a conversation with himself. Saying that everything is fine and the right things are being done is speculating too. Just because those speculations are positive doesn't give them anymore merit or make them any better than speculaitons the other way. That's what i'm trying to point out... although apparently saying anything other than life is fine and wonderful is grounds for assault around here.

and please don't lump me in with Bug. i'm pretty sure he got some sort of agenda against BC. I'm more saying that if we are going to shut up about it, which i think we should, then both sides have to shut up.

As you pointed out my reading comprehension is poor so your reply made zero sense to me...................

 

[mbhusker13]

Wow. sorry about post #57, my gammar sucked. I agree with MadCat about the rose colored glasses. We should however give this more time, and for the love of god......respect the kids privacy. Last off, I smell at least two hidden agenda's contained in this thread. :asshat This situation needs to be more out in the open, OMFG!!!! Ohhhhnoooo's!!! It's been less then a month, at least give Lucky time to get his sh*t together!!!!!!

 

[Glendower]

I think the way things are be handled now about keeping it private and letting Marlon get back to his everyday life is a way better approach than going public with what happened and have the media blow this whole thing way out of proportion.

i've been pretty quiet on this subject, but i want to comment about how so many people think it's better for this to be kept quiet than going public with it...

:rant

How the hell do you know that's it the best way to handle the situation? Nobody even knows what exactly the situation is. The only real question is wether or not you trust the people that are privy to the information to handle it correctly. Don't confuse a "yes" to that question to being a "yes" to another.

:rant

The things that we do know are that Lucky suddenly ended up in the hospital in critical condition when there were no known health issues that should've put him there. Most common rumors that it was an OD. No matter how it happened, it's unnverving, but since that rumor was so consistent i think it's worth exploring. There's lots of reasons kids end up in the hospital with an OD, and it's not uncommon for some of the reasons to be a really big warning sign and cry for attention. Everyone being so tight lipped about it gives me the impression that they are basically trying to pretend it never happened, which is definitely not the way you want to handle somebody crying out for help. I realize this is Lucky's situation and i respect his choice to keep it private. Hopefully it will all work out, because worst case scenario is that we've got a ticking time bomb waiting to go off.

Also, i doubt they will be able to keep this a secret forever. Sooner or later someone's going to find out and word will spread. Personally, i think it's better to deal with the situation head on and get it over with. But Lucky probably knows how to handle this better than I, so if he's not ready now that's fine. But make no mistake, sooner or later he'll have to answer some tough questions about this. I hope he's ready when the time comes, otherwise a big mess is just being delayed.

Once again, i respect Lucky's choice to privacy. However, i'm more than a little nervous that we havn't heard the end of this. I do have a lot of faith in the people involved to do the right thing, but that doesn't mean that i know for a fact that everything is being handled properly.

"On the next 'Beyond the Glory'"

lol. i admit i might of gone a little overboard... but i'm getting sick of people saying "we don't know anything, so just shut up with the bad vibes" but at the same time saying "everything is going well". it's contradictory

They should fire someone in the PR department, too. This is horrible damage control at best and leads to this sort of speculation. They should have made a formal announcement immediately to keep the sort of speculation that we're seeing from growing legs. Putting the pieces together, yeah, it looks like he was incorrectly medicated and the responsible person was canned-- who doesn't try to find another job in the field he's been trained to work? Someone who did something severely wrong for one. However, maybe it DIDN'T happen that way. Maybe lucky just had too many pills and did it to himself while at the same time he should have known better than to hand a kid so many potentially "fun" pills. See? Who knows? This is what PR is for. In a world of mass media and rapid mass communication between lay people, you have to get the first word out there. They didn't defuse the story and now we can all just keep on guessin' for ever. If they do decide to eventually tell the tale, people who believed that lucky ODed on purpose (or whatever) will see the denial as a confirmation and it will continue until people have forgotten who lucky is.

I don't know what happened, I am curious, but at this point all explanations are about equally plausible. Bad PR! Bad BAD! Go to your room.