I'm still looking for a way for both to lose. I don't really care about what it means to us in the rankings. If we play well, we'll be ahead of both of them. If we're fighting for a 20-25 spot, I don't care so much. I just dislike both programs. A lot.
Bowden looks like someone's grandfather, with his hearing aid turned off so he won't be bothered by what's going on around him, kind of trying to look like he's following things, but really isn't and doesn't care.