Nebraska HS basketball (And other sports) championships

BigRedBuster

BigRedBuster

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Four out of six champions are parochial schools.

The only two classes they didn't win are A and B.

I believe they won 3 out of 6 in football.

Also 3 (almost 4) in volleyball.

Again, all in lower classes.

#notimpressed.

 
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I think Texas gives two different championships per class - one for parochial schools and one for public schools

 
I don't miss the state tournament very often but was otherwise occupied this year. Bad year to miss as there were a bunch of great games.

Talk of an enrollment multiplier creeps up every now and again. I had a chance to listen to Dr. Tenopir (sp?) in November and he touched on the subject. He said he wasn't in favor of a multiplier - which would only apply to private schools - because it could be deemed discriminatory and would affect some private schools but not others. He said he was interested in looking into a "success multiplier." There would be some scoring system set up such that once you accumulated x number of points, you would be bumped up a class. He said he thought that was more fair as it would apply to all schools equally.

That's an interesting idea. He didn't provide any details - would it be sport-specific? Would boys and girls be separate? The thing that would be tricky would be would it react fast enough to "success". That is, would a certain school's run of success already be coming to an end and it would "penalize" future, possibly less-successful students for prior success.

 
i think it should somehow be tied to the population base the school can recruit from.

Kearney catholic sitting in the middle of kearney should not be competing in c1.

However, that might be appropriate for a Christian school in the middle of nowhere.

 
The issue to me is the idea of class appointment being done by student enrollment. Public schools are there to serve all the students in their district and any they allow to opt in. Out of all the students enrolled in a public school I would guess10-20% are enrolled in some type of special education and/or physical disability that would prevent them from participating in nearly every sport. I am happy these students have a place they can learn the skills they need to succeed in life. Parents with the ability to pay for a private school shouldn't feel guilty in doing so. I know many parents that sacrifice to send their kids to these schools. By the same token, public schools shouldn't have to count kids with disabilities when it comes time for class placements.

I know there are arguments on both sides that are valid. One side would say they shouldn't be penalized because they are a two parent family, both working hard to send their kids to private school. Thereby almost assuring they will have a vested interest in them doing well in school and succeeding in sports. On the other hand you have public schools, forced to deal with significant numbers of students who have little interest in doing well in addition to counting students who have limited physical abilities.

I would hate to be the one to decide this issue.

 
BigRedBuster said:
i think it should somehow be tied to the population base the school can recruit from.

Kearney catholic sitting in the middle of kearney should not be competing in c1.

However, that might be appropriate for a Christian school in the middle of nowhere.
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I hadn't heard that idea until recently but there is some talk of only letting the private school be down one class from the public school in the same city. I don't see that ever going anywhere. It would work well in some cases (Norfolk, Kearney, Grand Island, Columbus, etc.) but it wouldn't affect Pius, Skutt, Humphrey St. Francis, David City Aquinas, etc. and would be pretty harsh on some others (North Platte St. Pat's, Falls City Sacred Heart, etc.). Just too uneven with who it affects.

 
There isn't a perfect system that isn't going to affect some differently than others.

This even happens in the public school systems. The Lexington population is less than 50% white now with the vast majority being Hispanic. Well, those kids tend to not play football and basketball. So, they are having avery hard time competing in football and basketball at the class B level even though they are the 8th highest enrollment in class B. But...hey....they have a pretty good soccer team.

Demographics are going to be varied enough that no matter what rules you put in, someone is not going to be happy.

I actually like the idea of only being able to be down one class from the largest public school in the area. At least it's a starting point of trying to fix the problem.

 
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TonyStalloni said:
The issue to me is the idea of class appointment being done by student enrollment. Public schools are there to serve all the students in their district and any they allow to opt in. Out of all the students enrolled in a public school I would guess10-20% are enrolled in some type of special education and/or physical disability that would prevent them from participating in nearly every sport. I am happy these students have a place they can learn the skills they need to succeed in life. Parents with the ability to pay for a private school shouldn't feel guilty in doing so. I know many parents that sacrifice to send their kids to these schools. By the same token, public schools shouldn't have to count kids with disabilities when it comes time for class placements.

I know there are arguments on both sides that are valid. One side would say they shouldn't be penalized because they are a two parent family, both working hard to send their kids to private school. Thereby almost assuring they will have a vested interest in them doing well in school and succeeding in sports. On the other hand you have public schools, forced to deal with significant numbers of students who have little interest in doing well in addition to counting students who have limited physical abilities.

I would hate to be the one to decide this issue.
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You're assuming that handicapped kids don't go to private schools. I'm not sure that's an accurate assumption.

Sure, severely mentally handicapped kids probably aren't a major part of the student population. However, there is no reason why a handicapped kid in a wheel chair wouldn't find the same benefits of a private school academically.

 
Good article from Dirk

The results are sure to intensify a hot-button debate within the NSAA. Should private schools be subject to an enrollment multiplier? That’s the rule in some states. That’s the focus of an NSAA classification committee. The idea is based on the theory that private schools have higher athletic participation rates.

Private schools make up about 10 percent of NSAA schools. From 2006 to 2015, they won 33 percent of boys state basketball championships — 20 of 60 in the six classes. That was before Saturday.

Let’s consider a conservative 1.3 multiplier — some states go as high as 2.0. What would happen? Neumann would still be C-1, but the Cavaliers would be competing with St. Cecilia, which would jump from C-2 to C-1.

Lourdes would move up from D-1 to C-2. St. Francis would jump from D-2 to D-1.

St. Cecilia is the poster child for the debate. The Bluehawks have won five state championships since 2008 — three in C-1 and two in C-2. This season, they went 1-1 against Neumann and beat C-1 runner-up Adams Central by 23 points.
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BigRedBuster said:
There isn't a perfect system that isn't going to affect some differently than others.

This even happens in the public school systems. The Lexington population is less than 50% white now with the vast majority being Hispanic. Well, those kids tend to not play football and basketball. So, they are having avery hard time competing in football and basketball at the class B level even though they are the 8th highest enrollment in class B. But...hey....they have a pretty good soccer team.

Demographics are going to be varied enough that no matter what rules you put in, someone is not going to be happy.

I actually like the idea of only being able to be down one class from the largest public school in the area. At least it's a starting point of trying to fix the problem.
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I agree there isn't a perfect system. And there probably isn't a way to help out schools on the other end of the spectrum, like Lexington. Though South Sioux City is 68% Hispanic and they still seem to be competitive.

But I don't see the "one class down" system ever going anywhere. Like I said, there would be several schools that are the "target" of doing something differently that wouldn't be affected at all. It would bump a few of the big names to B (GICC, St. Cecilia, Kearney Catholic, Norfolk Catholic). That would be a good start. But then it gets ugly. Would Parkview Christian (enrollment 34), College View Academy (enrollment 45) and Omaha Christian Academy (enrollment 59) have to be in Class B? But Falls City Sacred Heart (enrollment 53) only get bumped to D-1 while Heartland Lutheran (enrollment 55) and Humphrey St. Francis (enrollment 50) get to stay where they are.

It's one of those proposals that sounds good because of the first couple schools that come to mind but doesn't make much sense when you dig into the whole story.

 
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