That's what I'm saying. And now with 3 losses, 2 in conference play and way behind the 8 ball already in the division race, I'm wondering if they dont just pack it in. I watched a bit of the last two games of theirs, and I'm not seeing a very motivated and focused team out of East Lansing right now. Yes, their defense is very good, but theyre not playing to their potential, probably because there is no hope for their offense right now. A slow start against Michigan saturday would probably be the end of Michigan St.