NO ONE IS GETTING FIRED - But Octavien should be cut!

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All this talk about firing this person and that... blah blah blah. The same things were being said when BC was hired. Accept it, things dont always go to plan, the thing you have to do is keep trying. Bill is making strides as head coach as evidenced by his last 2 QBs breaking school passing records! I admit Coz is driving me nuts by letting the boys slide with their half azz effort, he should be in their faces threatening them with their blackshirt (which by the way all Defensive players should have surrendered willfully by now because they dont deserve them) and starting jobs. If the starters on D dont want to play with the vigor and fire that past defenses have had, they have no place on the field. I think Steve Octavien should be kicked off the team for what he said about the fans. We pay big bucks to keep a record alive! A very real and important record that the FANS made possible, no player has any effect on that... and that kid has the balls to tell us to stay home!?! Take his blackshirt and 3rd string his a$$! that will send a strong message to the rest of the team about what it means to be a blackshirt.

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Kick our best defensive player off the team?? That's crazy talk! We would have given up 700+ yards and lost the game without Octo. That was a great athletic play to break up the pass late in the 4th quarter.

 
you missed on this post badly! Octo said the wrong thing, granted, but he is one of the few that appears to care and is playing hard. the fans DON'T MAKE the program, it is the coaches and the players. take a break from venting and think about what you are saying.

 
Gimme a break.

He was frustrated by the game and it didn't come out like he meant it. He was trying to defend his teammates and coaches more than he was trying to disparage the fan base.

How do you know the stuff you talk about isn't happening in some capacity? Believe it or not, the public will not hear every single thing that is said or done within the confines of the North stadium. Nor should they.

 
He had just come out of a nip and tuck home game, decided by one point, where the fans could have made a huge difference, and people booed. I don't blame him for what he said, I would have been pissed too, but I am glad that he apologized to the fans later.

 
I'm hoping that the defense takes the booing and keeps it as a chip on their shoulder. Sometimes a downtrodden unit needs something to unite against, and maybe if they take an us-against-the-world mentality perhaps they will play better. Although with Cosgrove in charge, it might not matter what mentality they have.

 
no_name_needed_2001 said:
Octo atleast shows emotion

Plus as said earlier, he's our best defensive player
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He may be our best defensive player, but he's still out of postition 50% of the time along with the rest of the LBs. That is partly due to our coaches I'm sure.

Kicking him off is a bit harsh. Good to see a little attitude from those guys.

Consecutive sellouts come with a team putting a good product on the field. Had they been .500 in the 90's, there would be no talk of a consecutive sellout record. So, by in by, the players are responsible for that record.

 
jjamuss said:
All this talk about firing this person and that... blah blah blah. The same things were being said when BC was hired. Accept it, things dont always go to plan, the thing you have to do is keep trying. Bill is making strides as head coach as evidenced by his last 2 QBs breaking school passing records! I admit Coz is driving me nuts by letting the boys slide with their half azz effort, he should be in their faces threatening them with their blackshirt (which by the way all Defensive players should have surrendered willfully by now because they dont deserve them) and starting jobs. If the starters on D dont want to play with the vigor and fire that past defenses have had, they have no place on the field. I think Steve Octavien should be kicked off the team for what he said about the fans. We pay big bucks to keep a record alive! A very real and important record that the FANS made possible, no player has any effect on that... and that kid has the balls to tell us to stay home!?! Take his blackshirt and 3rd string his a$$! that will send a strong message to the rest of the team about what it means to be a blackshirt.

:bonez
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dude if you want to boo you should stay home and give your ticket to someody who is a true fan and has some class..as far as octos commets im sure he was just emotional and frustrated after the game no reason to kick him off the team thats just a stupid thing to say!!

 
jjamuss said:
All this talk about firing this person and that... blah blah blah. The same things were being said when BC was hired. Accept it, things dont always go to plan, the thing you have to do is keep trying. Bill is making strides as head coach as evidenced by his last 2 QBs breaking school passing records! I admit Coz is driving me nuts by letting the boys slide with their half azz effort, he should be in their faces threatening them with their blackshirt (which by the way all Defensive players should have surrendered willfully by now because they dont deserve them) and starting jobs. If the starters on D dont want to play with the vigor and fire that past defenses have had, they have no place on the field. I think Steve Octavien should be kicked off the team for what he said about the fans. We pay big bucks to keep a record alive! A very real and important record that the FANS made possible, no player has any effect on that... and that kid has the balls to tell us to stay home!?! Take his blackshirt and 3rd string his a$$! that will send a strong message to the rest of the team about what it means to be a blackshirt.

:bonez
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Swing and a miss. I completely disagree with this entire post. If you are going to boo, go to a bar or stay at home and watch it. Octavien has a right to be pissed, and I am glad he is that fiery. At least you know he cares, the same can't be necessarily said for McKeon and others, etc.

 
DJR313 said:
jjamuss said:
All this talk about firing this person and that... blah blah blah. The same things were being said when BC was hired. Accept it, things dont always go to plan, the thing you have to do is keep trying. Bill is making strides as head coach as evidenced by his last 2 QBs breaking school passing records! I admit Coz is driving me nuts by letting the boys slide with their half azz effort, he should be in their faces threatening them with their blackshirt (which by the way all Defensive players should have surrendered willfully by now because they dont deserve them) and starting jobs. If the starters on D dont want to play with the vigor and fire that past defenses have had, they have no place on the field. I think Steve Octavien should be kicked off the team for what he said about the fans. We pay big bucks to keep a record alive! A very real and important record that the FANS made possible, no player has any effect on that... and that kid has the balls to tell us to stay home!?! Take his blackshirt and 3rd string his a$$! that will send a strong message to the rest of the team about what it means to be a blackshirt.

:bonez
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Swing and a miss. I completely disagree with this entire post. If you are going to boo, go to a bar or stay at home and watch it. Octavien has a right to be pissed, and I am glad he is that fiery. At least you know he cares, the same can't be necessarily said for McKeon and others, etc.
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That is half azz logic. Cut the best player because he hurt YOUR feelings? Boo freakin Hoo.

 
Boo if you want, you paid for the tickets. If you boo great but be big boys and handle anything you may get in return. Free country, you shouldnt be ridiculed if you boo or if you cheer. The defense was awful.

Octo is our best player, he just got done playing his butt off and was defending his team and his unit, something any good teammate should do. What he said may have come out wrong but oh well.

Octo is rarely out of position. Every team has gameplanned the same way. Put 2 hats or more on suh and run at McKeon or Ruud. Out of position is funny, he is making tackles all day long on the opposite side of the field. If anything he is the one guy in our back 7 that is not out of position. Its hard enough to play this game, think how hard it has to be when you are one of only 2 on the field that the other team is afraid of. they scheme around you or they take steps to make sure that you are taken out of the play yet he still is playing extremely well.

Why would we kick him off the team for being a good teammate. Why not do something constructive like bench Ruud and Mckeon for not performing at all. Now there is a novel idea. bench the guy playing well and keep running the crappy playing players out there.

Your Kool-Aid must have drugs in it and a Lincoln/legacy aura around it

 
jjamuss said:
All this talk about firing this person and that... blah blah blah. The same things were being said when BC was hired. Accept it, things dont always go to plan, the thing you have to do is keep trying. Bill is making strides as head coach as evidenced by his last 2 QBs breaking school passing records! I admit Coz is driving me nuts by letting the boys slide with their half azz effort, he should be in their faces threatening them with their blackshirt (which by the way all Defensive players should have surrendered willfully by now because they dont deserve them) and starting jobs. If the starters on D dont want to play with the vigor and fire that past defenses have had, they have no place on the field. I think Steve Octavien should be kicked off the team for what he said about the fans. We pay big bucks to keep a record alive! A very real and important record that the FANS made possible, no player has any effect on that... and that kid has the balls to tell us to stay home!?! Take his blackshirt and 3rd string his a$$! that will send a strong message to the rest of the team about what it means to be a blackshirt.

:bonez
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Considering we had a run based offense for decades and threw maybe 10-15% of the time, I hardly consider QB's breaking passing records a big deal. When he was hired, he was supposed to have a balanced attack. I understand why the balanced attack was not achieved against USC because we were getting it handed to us the entire game, but I don't have any idea why we didn't strive for more balance last week. If you throw out the Nevada game, our rushing attack this year is in serious decline since BC took over. I hardly call this strides in a positive direction. Since BC's been here, our OL has been a liability. This year is pretty much the same except I'm thinking they're actually worse than previous years. My biggest knock against BC is the fact that he was an OL coach for several years. When he came in, I really thought this would be the biggest improvement on the team. Thus far, he hasn't done squat with the OL. IMO, he should have pounded the rock against Ball State. How do you slow an offense? Keep them off the field. The D was struggling severely. The best way to cool off a hot offense and help your struggling D is to keep the opposing teams offense off of the field. This is why we got beat badly in 2002 because our O sucked and had so many 3 and outs. The D wasn't horrible that year, but they were on the field 3 out of 4 quarters and got tired. Shootouts with mid Mac teams are stupid. Win the time of possession by running the rock and controlling the game. I guess BC missed the memo.

While I don't like what Octavian said, it's hardly any reason to kick him off the team. Purify committed all kinds of dumbass attacks and was only suspended one game. I see no reason to kick a player off the team for making statements in the heat of the moment.

 
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