Notre Dame, Texas, Nebraska

kansas husker said:
Wow! Still mad about the deal they are making to get Texas but here is my question. Let's say they add Texas. ND, and Nebraska. Does the expansion stop at 14? They could add Mizzou but who else since they wouldn't take anymore Big East schools?
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My guess would be A&M since they're a package deal with UT.

 
Nexus said:
And the smoke continues to billow.

The Big Ten office
On a message board called the Wildcat Report on May 8, 2010, a poster put a message up. He claimed to have been with someone from the Big Ten office who gave him information on the expansion efforts.

Not a big deal, people go on message boards all the time and say things. What made this a big deal was the reaction of Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany. According to my source that works at the Big Ten who spoke to Spartan Nation on the condition of anonymity because of Delany’s comments in this meeting, “The Commissioner was livid. He called a staff meeting for the office and that isn’t normal at all. In fact, it is a rare thing. He likes to meet in small groups if he meets at all. He cited this post and said if he found out who it was he would fire the person for talking or anyone else for speaking. All of us walked out and wanted to read the post because as angry as he was it had to hit home. One of my coworkers even said to me 15 seconds after we left the room, I can’t wait to read it.” The source went on to add, “There has been so much S***(fecal matter) thrown around about expansion and he didn’t really get to fired up until this. This one hit home. Clearly, Notre Dame and Texas are in play.” I have hence heard about the Delany meeting from three other sources with knowledge of it, and all of their accounts match the above.

Here is the thread that set the commissioner off.

I just had a few beers tonight with a friend who works for the Big Ten here in Chicago. According to him, the Big Ten has focused their efforts on and is getting hot with three schools: Notre Dame, Texas, and Nebraska.

 

A few things stood out about what he told me. First, contrary to my understanding of the benefits of expansion, the Big Ten is NOT pursuing a playoff system in football. Instead of a playoff, the football teams would all be required to add an additional one or two out of conference game, which would push the regular season back one week or two. The Big Ten wants to maintain the end of season rivalry games at the end of the football season as opposed to adding a playoff.

 

Second, the Big Ten, Texas and Notre Dame are discussing a special rule to accommodate both of those schools. Instead of playing 8 games, both Texas and ND would play 7 to enable each school to play 6 out of conference games. That's apparently the caveat that brought both to the table, and Texas and ND also want to play each other every year. The tradeoff is that an 8-0 Big Ten team would always trump a 7-0 ND/Texas as conference champion, which is a potential logistical sticking point for the Big Ten and these teams. But apparently ND and Texas value the extra OOC game more than the conference championship potential, and ND and Texas want to play each other every year making the tie between two 7-0 teams impossible. They're also looking at potentially giving a automatic BCS slot for a 7-0 ND/Texas Big Ten team that loses the conference championship to an 8-0 team as a carrot, where the 8-0 team could still get the at-large but isn't guaranteed.

 

Finally, the Big East is essentially pushing ND to discussions with the Big Ten. The Big East has presented an ultimatum to ND to play football or get out of the conference for the other sports in order to protect the integrity of the remainder of the conference. Apparently discussions have taken place between the Big Ten and the Big East, and the current understanding is that the Big Ten will not accept any other Big East schools if ND joins the Big Ten. ND also will retain a national schedule, particularly with Texas joining, where it would have the ability to schedule 6 OOC games plus one game with Texas. This means they're picking up only three additional games with Big Ten schools while playing in the conference.

 

Very cool to hear the details from the inside tonight.

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I just can't see 8 of the current Big 10 schools voting in favor of this proposal. Since this is all about money, maybe I should. :dunno

 
will it look good for the big 10 to have teams like indiana, northwestern, minnesota, and purdue winning one or two games a year with all the good teams they will have to play.

 
Big 10 won't give anyone special considerations. That is what makes the conference - the all for one/one for all mentality. There are enough school presidents that would vote against any kind of proposal that was unequal that it just isn't possible imo.

 
I think this all smoke about Texas. Theirs a very small chance they would go the Big Ten. Why would Texas jump to a another conference in NORTHERN part of country, you know in these parts it gets cold around mid October, that means traveling to parts of country in the winter time where the weather can be brutal. They would have no traveling fan base at all it would be a complete disadvantage on the road, versus going to baylor where 3/4 of the stadium is orange. Also why would a school like Texas go and be the stepchild to the Big Ten when they are the golden child in the Big 12.

Golden Child to Step Child?? I think not.

If Texas goes, Nebraska should stay. Oklahoma, Nebraska and Mizzou might be able to keep the conference afloat atleast with football.

 
Judoka said:
Nexus said:
And the smoke continues to billow.

The Big Ten office
On a message board called the Wildcat Report on May 8, 2010, a poster put a message up. He claimed to have been with someone from the Big Ten office who gave him information on the expansion efforts.

Not a big deal, people go on message boards all the time and say things. What made this a big deal was the reaction of Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany. According to my source that works at the Big Ten who spoke to Spartan Nation on the condition of anonymity because of Delany’s comments in this meeting, “The Commissioner was livid. He called a staff meeting for the office and that isn’t normal at all. In fact, it is a rare thing. He likes to meet in small groups if he meets at all. He cited this post and said if he found out who it was he would fire the person for talking or anyone else for speaking. All of us walked out and wanted to read the post because as angry as he was it had to hit home. One of my coworkers even said to me 15 seconds after we left the room, I can’t wait to read it.” The source went on to add, “There has been so much S***(fecal matter) thrown around about expansion and he didn’t really get to fired up until this. This one hit home. Clearly, Notre Dame and Texas are in play.” I have hence heard about the Delany meeting from three other sources with knowledge of it, and all of their accounts match the above.

Here is the thread that set the commissioner off.

I just had a few beers tonight with a friend who works for the Big Ten here in Chicago. According to him, the Big Ten has focused their efforts on and is getting hot with three schools: Notre Dame, Texas, and Nebraska.

 

A few things stood out about what he told me. First, contrary to my understanding of the benefits of expansion, the Big Ten is NOT pursuing a playoff system in football. Instead of a playoff, the football teams would all be required to add an additional one or two out of conference game, which would push the regular season back one week or two. The Big Ten wants to maintain the end of season rivalry games at the end of the football season as opposed to adding a playoff.

 

Second, the Big Ten, Texas and Notre Dame are discussing a special rule to accommodate both of those schools. Instead of playing 8 games, both Texas and ND would play 7 to enable each school to play 6 out of conference games. That's apparently the caveat that brought both to the table, and Texas and ND also want to play each other every year. The tradeoff is that an 8-0 Big Ten team would always trump a 7-0 ND/Texas as conference champion, which is a potential logistical sticking point for the Big Ten and these teams. But apparently ND and Texas value the extra OOC game more than the conference championship potential, and ND and Texas want to play each other every year making the tie between two 7-0 teams impossible. They're also looking at potentially giving a automatic BCS slot for a 7-0 ND/Texas Big Ten team that loses the conference championship to an 8-0 team as a carrot, where the 8-0 team could still get the at-large but isn't guaranteed.

 

Finally, the Big East is essentially pushing ND to discussions with the Big Ten. The Big East has presented an ultimatum to ND to play football or get out of the conference for the other sports in order to protect the integrity of the remainder of the conference. Apparently discussions have taken place between the Big Ten and the Big East, and the current understanding is that the Big Ten will not accept any other Big East schools if ND joins the Big Ten. ND also will retain a national schedule, particularly with Texas joining, where it would have the ability to schedule 6 OOC games plus one game with Texas. This means they're picking up only three additional games with Big Ten schools while playing in the conference.

 

Very cool to hear the details from the inside tonight.

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I just can't see 8 of the current Big 10 schools voting in favor of this proposal. Since this is all about money, maybe I should. :dunno
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When its all said and dont the conference members have to vote on the expansion??? Can anybody verify this???

 
Judoka said:
Nexus said:
And the smoke continues to billow.

The Big Ten office
On a message board called the Wildcat Report on May 8, 2010, a poster put a message up. He claimed to have been with someone from the Big Ten office who gave him information on the expansion efforts.

Not a big deal, people go on message boards all the time and say things. What made this a big deal was the reaction of Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany. According to my source that works at the Big Ten who spoke to Spartan Nation on the condition of anonymity because of Delany's comments in this meeting, "The Commissioner was livid. He called a staff meeting for the office and that isn't normal at all. In fact, it is a rare thing. He likes to meet in small groups if he meets at all. He cited this post and said if he found out who it was he would fire the person for talking or anyone else for speaking. All of us walked out and wanted to read the post because as angry as he was it had to hit home. One of my coworkers even said to me 15 seconds after we left the room, I can't wait to read it." The source went on to add, "There has been so much S***(fecal matter) thrown around about expansion and he didn't really get to fired up until this. This one hit home. Clearly, Notre Dame and Texas are in play." I have hence heard about the Delany meeting from three other sources with knowledge of it, and all of their accounts match the above.

Here is the thread that set the commissioner off.

I just had a few beers tonight with a friend who works for the Big Ten here in Chicago. According to him, the Big Ten has focused their efforts on and is getting hot with three schools: Notre Dame, Texas, and Nebraska.

 

A few things stood out about what he told me. First, contrary to my understanding of the benefits of expansion, the Big Ten is NOT pursuing a playoff system in football. Instead of a playoff, the football teams would all be required to add an additional one or two out of conference game, which would push the regular season back one week or two. The Big Ten wants to maintain the end of season rivalry games at the end of the football season as opposed to adding a playoff.

 

Second, the Big Ten, Texas and Notre Dame are discussing a special rule to accommodate both of those schools. Instead of playing 8 games, both Texas and ND would play 7 to enable each school to play 6 out of conference games. That's apparently the caveat that brought both to the table, and Texas and ND also want to play each other every year. The tradeoff is that an 8-0 Big Ten team would always trump a 7-0 ND/Texas as conference champion, which is a potential logistical sticking point for the Big Ten and these teams. But apparently ND and Texas value the extra OOC game more than the conference championship potential, and ND and Texas want to play each other every year making the tie between two 7-0 teams impossible. They're also looking at potentially giving a automatic BCS slot for a 7-0 ND/Texas Big Ten team that loses the conference championship to an 8-0 team as a carrot, where the 8-0 team could still get the at-large but isn't guaranteed.

 

Finally, the Big East is essentially pushing ND to discussions with the Big Ten. The Big East has presented an ultimatum to ND to play football or get out of the conference for the other sports in order to protect the integrity of the remainder of the conference. Apparently discussions have taken place between the Big Ten and the Big East, and the current understanding is that the Big Ten will not accept any other Big East schools if ND joins the Big Ten. ND also will retain a national schedule, particularly with Texas joining, where it would have the ability to schedule 6 OOC games plus one game with Texas. This means they're picking up only three additional games with Big Ten schools while playing in the conference.

 

Very cool to hear the details from the inside tonight.

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I just can't see 8 of the current Big 10 schools voting in favor of this proposal. Since this is all about money, maybe I should. :dunno
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I can't either.

From reading the thread at those other sites, the way one guy understood it was if a 7-0 ND/UT met an 8-0 team in the conference championship game and loses, they'd want an automatic BCS bid whereas if the 8-0 team loses, they'd be up for an at-large BCS bid.

The whole point of these so-called special concessions is that ND and UT want to preserve their rivalry games. ND with USC and UT with Oklahoma (and A&M if they're not part of the Big 10, but I don't see that happening since they're a package deal).

I also have a hard time thinking Michigan and Ohio St. would allow such special considerations. The "beer drinking" story seems too far-fetched. However I do believe that ND, UT and NU are the frontrunners in this expansion discussion.

 
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Umm.. haven't we already tried the making concessions to get texas idea? It doesn't work. Some other questions arise out of this aswell. What does this do for the Longhorn network? What of mizzou who has been in talks (at least in the media) longer than anybody? I don't want to wait 8 months I'm on pins and needles over this expansion.

 
kansas husker said:
Umm.. haven't we already tried the making concessions to get texas idea? It doesn't work. Some other questions arise out of this aswell. What does this do for the Longhorn network? What of mizzou who has been in talks (at least in the media) longer than anybody? I don't want to wait 8 months I'm on pins and needles over this expansion.
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Hard to say. Maybe the whole thing is a smokescreen? Maybe parts of it is? All we're left with is speculation and hearsay. You just have to enjoy the roller coaster ride until the Big Ten makes an official announcement.

 
I am a bit skeptical of this "report". However if the Big 10 were able to get ND, UT, NU they would no longer have to worry about individual school T.V. footprints. Having the existing Big 10 powers of OSU, Mich, and Penn St plus three other national powers may give them enough to demand all cable companies in major markets carry their product. :dunno

EDIT: Or atleast it would be enough to have most of the east coast/midwest and all of Texas to be required to carry the BTN.

 
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billdozer15 said:
I am a bit skeptical of this "report". However if the Big 10 were able to get ND, UT, NU they would no longer have to worry about individual school T.V. footprints. Having the existing Big 10 powers of OSU, Mich, and Penn St plus three other national powers may give them enough to demand all cable companies in major markets carry their product. :dunno

EDIT: Or atleast it would be enough to have most of the east coast/midwest and all of Texas to be required to carry the BTN.
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In the end, I think that's the ultimate goal as it pertains to TV markets.

 
The whole thing seems not much more than the Rumorville stuff from two years ago. It's unverifiable, but he "knows a guy" who's on the inside, and here's what he said.

The numbers don't add up, for one thing. The "report" states that Texas and Notre Dame are being allowed to play only 7 conference games, allowing them to play 6 OOC games. That adds up to 13, and that's one too many for the regular season. For someone who knows his stuff, that's a silly typo or a pretty funny oops!

What would the benefit be to Texas to play six OOC games? Aside from Oklahoma, what do they care who they play? They have no special relationship with Baylor, A&M and/or Tech that I'm aware of, and they don't require any other OOC games every year, like a game with Arkansas, which would be natural considering their SWC days, but if they don't care about that now, why would they care in the Big 10?

I'm with billdozer. Color me a skeptic on this one.

 
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