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Moiraine said:
Interesting read here. Oregon's 12 men on the field penalty against OU was on purpose, to take a few seconds off the clock.

Dan Lanning says Ducks purposely induced 12-men penalty late - ESPN
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I'm not a big fan of intentionally cheating.  But I do give them points for creativity.  My only question is why was it only 12?  

Also, this seems like a decent adjustment for an unintentional extra man.  But it seems like Oregon should have gotten a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.


 
Mavric said:
I'm not a big fan of intentionally cheating.  But I do give them points for creativity.  My only question is why was it only 12?  

Also, this seems like a decent adjustment for an unintentional extra man.  But it seems like Oregon should have gotten a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.
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It's hard to prove they did it on purpose in the moment, but I agree some kind of minor punishment is probably in order. It's a play that's been theorized for a long time, but still not very sportsmanlike. And there is risk - if OSU notices the extra player(s) and knows it's a free play, you better have all your extra players locked in on Jeremiah Smith. And he might still come down with it or draw PI when double/triple covered.


But I like the rule change, it never made sense to me that a play that doesn't count because of the penalty still takes time off the clock. It's because it's technically a live ball penalty so the play sort of counts, but it's dumb. There's still a scenario where you line up with 12 or more, and have them scramble (and fail) to get off the field. Guaranteed penalty, but as long as they don't bail too early they can impact the playcall and still be ruled as not influencing the actual play. Line up with 12 to try and bait the offense into a deep shot, and run a normal 11 man prevent with the 12th running off right as it's snapped. Super niche and unlikely to occur, but not allowing for the clock reset if the extra players don't stay on the field during the play leaves a microscopic loophole.

 
Husker in WI said:
It's hard to prove they did it on purpose in the moment, but I agree some kind of minor punishment is probably in order. It's a play that's been theorized for a long time, but still not very sportsmanlike. And there is risk - if OSU notices the extra player(s) and knows it's a free play, you better have all your extra players locked in on Jeremiah Smith. And he might still come down with it or draw PI when double/triple covered.


But I like the rule change, it never made sense to me that a play that doesn't count because of the penalty still takes time off the clock. It's because it's technically a live ball penalty so the play sort of counts, but it's dumb. There's still a scenario where you line up with 12 or more, and have them scramble (and fail) to get off the field. Guaranteed penalty, but as long as they don't bail too early they can impact the playcall and still be ruled as not influencing the actual play. Line up with 12 to try and bait the offense into a deep shot, and run a normal 11 man prevent with the 12th running off right as it's snapped. Super niche and unlikely to occur, but not allowing for the clock reset if the extra players don't stay on the field during the play leaves a microscopic loophole.
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If they have 12 guys in the formation, the officials should stop it then and throw the flag.  That's why Oregon had to run the extra guy on at the last second.

 
Mavric said:
I'm not a big fan of intentionally cheating.  But I do give them points for creativity.  My only question is why was it only 12?  
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The more players you throw out there, the more you're straining for a generous discretion by the officials of calling a normal penalty vs an unsportsmanlike conduct one.

 
Mavric said:
If they have 12 guys in the formation, the officials should stop it then and throw the flag.  That's why Oregon had to run the extra guy on at the last second.
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Ah, that makes sense - seems like a reasonable change then to be honest. I can't envision a scenario where you could avoid have 12+ lined up in a formation and also have them get back off the field in a way that would impact the play pre or post snap. 

 
In any event, Ohio State lost the game.  And they are 5-1 like many teams are now.  OSU just couldn't win the game and they were favored to do so, but didn't.  

 
f#&% Texas and f#&% referees. 

I have never seen any bulls#!t like this in my entire life of watching football. 

Texas intercepts the ball and they’re called for pass interference. 

The call was wrong. The Texas fans get mad and throw trash all over the f#&%ing field. 

10 f#&%ing minutes later after the trash is cleaned up the referees have a discussion and decide it wasn’t a pass interference after all. After they had 10 minutes to watch their mistake on the field. You can’t f#&%ing fix a penalty play with a review, but that’s what they did. Sure, it sucked they called it wrong in the first place, but this is the only game and only team who has had a call reversed in this way. Also, Texas didn’t get penalized for their fans throwing trash on the field and delaying the game for 10 minutes. 

 
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Moiraine said:
f#&% Texas and f#&% referees. 

I have never seen any bulls#!t like this in my entire life of watching football. 

Texas intercepts the ball and they’re called for pass interference. 

The call was wrong. The Texas fans get mad and throw trash all over the f#&%ing field. 

10 f#&%ing minutes later after the trash is cleaned up the referees have a discussion and decide it wasn’t a pass interference after all. After they had 10 minutes to watch their mistake on the field. You can’t f#&%ing fix a penalty play with a review, but that’s what they did. Sure, it sucked they called it wrong in the first place, but this is the only game and only team who has had a call reversed in this way. Also, Texas didn’t get penalized for their fans theowing trash on the field and delaying the game for 10 minutes. 
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Should result in a crew suspension I would think. It was called that on the field after a discussion. Then they wait as fans express outrage and have another discussion and reverse it. 

So if you want a call changed, throw your beverages on the field

 
The officiating is a special kind of bad.  I see it over and over again in CFB games.  Joel Klatt has talked about it to, including today.

In our HS games it has been really bad.  In a game a few weeks ago we intercepted the ball in the endzone.  Our guy stepped in front of the receiver.  He was on the 5 yardline coming out when the official threw the flag.  First, watching the film, there is zero action to call DPI.  2ndly the flag came out after the interception.

I don't know the answer.  But the UT game?  Those guys should be suspended.  Craziest thing I have ever scene.

 
Well at least Iowa, Michigan, USC, Alabama and looking like Texas will lose today. Makes me feel slightly better. 

 
"Now we've set a precedent that if you throw a bunch of stuff on the field and endanger athletes that you've got a chance to get your call reversed," Georgia coach Kirby Smart said after the game. "And that's unfortunate because, to me, that's dangerous. That's not what we want, and that's not criticizing officials. That's what happened."

In a statement early Sunday morning, the SEC said officials "gathered to discuss the play, which is permitted to ensure the proper penalty is enforced."

Early Sunday morning, Georgia athletic director Josh Brooks said in a post on X that he was "disappointed and frustrated" with how the call was reversed.

"Disagreeing with a singular call is natural and will happen several times in every football game. I can accept that," Brooks said in his post. "What I cannot accept is the manner in which this specific call was reversed. The official claimed he erred in the call. My question is when did he realize the error?”

"If it was before the delay that occurred due to fans throwing objects on the field, what stopped him before the head official made the announcement and spotted the ball? I have faith we, as a conference, will learn from this and get better. We must, because in the SEC it just means more."
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