Old Habbits Die Hard

[knapplc]

I agree that this is a result of the adaptation to the Spread Offense. This is exactly why we developed the Peso Defense. What will be interesting is to see how we adapt again next year when we're facing bigger, heavier offenses in the Big 10. I'm guessing we'll go right back to a 4-3 defense and pull out the Peso as needed if someone really looks likely to move the ball in a Spread look.

 

[sd'sker]

But "Idaho" routinely picked up their 3rd & one or two yards on us without breaking a sweat.

This is the same thing that happened last year. As outstanding a duo of DTs as we had with Suh and Crick, it seemed like we gave up a LOT of short-yardage first downs. Way more than I expected. We also let people move the ball off the goal line a lot last year - Henery would punt it down there, then we'd let them move it out to their 20 or 30 yard line before making them punt. Happened a lot last year and it happened last Saturday, too.

Yeah, you're right.

Why we don't go to anything even remotely close to a goal-line stand on those 3rd & shorts is over my head. But there's no arguing the end results. I guess Bo just doesn't like the chance of giving up the PA big play?

just look at bsu vs. va. tech. bsu destroyed va. tech whenever they went into a jumbo set. they scored too many times with a simple play action. and the worst was that long run va. tech gave up on third and short. they came our in a goal line defense and as soon and bsu's rb got past the lb's, he was endzone bound. you just need one little seam, and then there is no one to stop you. give up the first down, give up 3 when the offense needs 1-2, and live to play another down.

 

[bshirt]

But "Idaho" routinely picked up their 3rd & one or two yards on us without breaking a sweat.

This is the same thing that happened last year. As outstanding a duo of DTs as we had with Suh and Crick, it seemed like we gave up a LOT of short-yardage first downs. Way more than I expected. We also let people move the ball off the goal line a lot last year - Henery would punt it down there, then we'd let them move it out to their 20 or 30 yard line before making them punt. Happened a lot last year and it happened last Saturday, too.

Yeah, you're right.

Why we don't go to anything even remotely close to a goal-line stand on those 3rd & shorts is over my head. But there's no arguing the end results. I guess Bo just doesn't like the chance of giving up the PA big play?

just look at bsu vs. va. tech. bsu destroyed va. tech whenever they went into a jumbo set. they scored too many times with a simple play action. and the worst was that long run va. tech gave up on third and short. they came our in a goal line defense and as soon and bsu's rb got past the lb's, he was endzone bound. you just need one little seam, and then there is no one to stop you. give up the first down, give up 3 when the offense needs 1-2, and live to play another down.

Very, very good point sd'sker (does that stand for South Dakota?).

Many seem to think that loading the box is 100% death of the run game. Wrong. As TO said in his book "more than winning" that a lot of NU's long TD runs was vs those schemes as if you break through the LOS....you're GONE.

I bet we see a lot of that this year too.

 

[sd'sker]

But "Idaho" routinely picked up their 3rd & one or two yards on us without breaking a sweat.

This is the same thing that happened last year. As outstanding a duo of DTs as we had with Suh and Crick, it seemed like we gave up a LOT of short-yardage first downs. Way more than I expected. We also let people move the ball off the goal line a lot last year - Henery would punt it down there, then we'd let them move it out to their 20 or 30 yard line before making them punt. Happened a lot last year and it happened last Saturday, too.

Yeah, you're right.

Why we don't go to anything even remotely close to a goal-line stand on those 3rd & shorts is over my head. But there's no arguing the end results. I guess Bo just doesn't like the chance of giving up the PA big play?

just look at bsu vs. va. tech. bsu destroyed va. tech whenever they went into a jumbo set. they scored too many times with a simple play action. and the worst was that long run va. tech gave up on third and short. they came our in a goal line defense and as soon and bsu's rb got past the lb's, he was endzone bound. you just need one little seam, and then there is no one to stop you. give up the first down, give up 3 when the offense needs 1-2, and live to play another down.

Very, very good point sd'sker (does that stand for South Dakota?).

Many seem to think that loading the box is 100% death of the run game. Wrong. As TO said in his book "more than winning" that a lot of NU's long TD runs was vs those schemes as if you break through the LOS....you're GONE.

I bet we see a lot of that this year too.

thank you, and yes, it does stand for south dakota. i could not believe when va. tech gave up that huge td run while in a jumbo set.

goal line just does not work for defenses in college football. use a clever blitz or something. or just mitigate the damage and play the probabilities, give up a few yards rather than risk giving up a 50 yard td.

 

[bshirt]

But "Idaho" routinely picked up their 3rd & one or two yards on us without breaking a sweat.

This is the same thing that happened last year. As outstanding a duo of DTs as we had with Suh and Crick, it seemed like we gave up a LOT of short-yardage first downs. Way more than I expected. We also let people move the ball off the goal line a lot last year - Henery would punt it down there, then we'd let them move it out to their 20 or 30 yard line before making them punt. Happened a lot last year and it happened last Saturday, too.

Yeah, you're right.

Why we don't go to anything even remotely close to a goal-line stand on those 3rd & shorts is over my head. But there's no arguing the end results. I guess Bo just doesn't like the chance of giving up the PA big play?

just look at bsu vs. va. tech. bsu destroyed va. tech whenever they went into a jumbo set. they scored too many times with a simple play action. and the worst was that long run va. tech gave up on third and short. they came our in a goal line defense and as soon and bsu's rb got past the lb's, he was endzone bound. you just need one little seam, and then there is no one to stop you. give up the first down, give up 3 when the offense needs 1-2, and live to play another down.

Very, very good point sd'sker (does that stand for South Dakota?).

Many seem to think that loading the box is 100% death of the run game. Wrong. As TO said in his book "more than winning" that a lot of NU's long TD runs was vs those schemes as if you break through the LOS....you're GONE.

I bet we see a lot of that this year too.

thank you, and yes, it does stand for south dakota. i could not believe when va. tech gave up that huge td run while in a jumbo set.

goal line just does not work for defenses in college football. use a clever blitz or something. or just mitigate the damage and play the probabilities, give up a few yards rather than risk giving up a 50 yard td.

I'm a SD guy too. Love it!

Yes, once again I see your point. It wasn't that long ago that defenses across the nation loaded up for 3rd & shorts but times have definately changed. Once again, there's no denying the end results. Bo knows defense.

 

[sd'sker]

But "Idaho" routinely picked up their 3rd & one or two yards on us without breaking a sweat.

This is the same thing that happened last year. As outstanding a duo of DTs as we had with Suh and Crick, it seemed like we gave up a LOT of short-yardage first downs. Way more than I expected. We also let people move the ball off the goal line a lot last year - Henery would punt it down there, then we'd let them move it out to their 20 or 30 yard line before making them punt. Happened a lot last year and it happened last Saturday, too.

Yeah, you're right.

Why we don't go to anything even remotely close to a goal-line stand on those 3rd & shorts is over my head. But there's no arguing the end results. I guess Bo just doesn't like the chance of giving up the PA big play?

just look at bsu vs. va. tech. bsu destroyed va. tech whenever they went into a jumbo set. they scored too many times with a simple play action. and the worst was that long run va. tech gave up on third and short. they came our in a goal line defense and as soon and bsu's rb got past the lb's, he was endzone bound. you just need one little seam, and then there is no one to stop you. give up the first down, give up 3 when the offense needs 1-2, and live to play another down.

Very, very good point sd'sker (does that stand for South Dakota?).

Many seem to think that loading the box is 100% death of the run game. Wrong. As TO said in his book "more than winning" that a lot of NU's long TD runs was vs those schemes as if you break through the LOS....you're GONE.

I bet we see a lot of that this year too.

thank you, and yes, it does stand for south dakota. i could not believe when va. tech gave up that huge td run while in a jumbo set.

goal line just does not work for defenses in college football. use a clever blitz or something. or just mitigate the damage and play the probabilities, give up a few yards rather than risk giving up a 50 yard td.

I'm a SD guy too. Love it!

Yes, once again I see your point. It wasn't that long ago that defenses across the nation loaded up for 3rd & shorts but times have definately changed. Once again, there's no denying the end results. Bo knows defense.

i am sorry, i was not trying to beat a dead horse and i understand your point. i am trying to work it out in my head as i type it out.

we rely heavily on our front four to stop the run, and that is how not having SUH will hurt us the most. he could plug the holes on his own. this does scare me against ksu. are they just going to run it up the gut all night? and now that teams know we have a lock-down defense, other than washington, will all the teams just go run-first and not even try passing?

 

[bshirt]

But "Idaho" routinely picked up their 3rd & one or two yards on us without breaking a sweat.

This is the same thing that happened last year. As outstanding a duo of DTs as we had with Suh and Crick, it seemed like we gave up a LOT of short-yardage first downs. Way more than I expected. We also let people move the ball off the goal line a lot last year - Henery would punt it down there, then we'd let them move it out to their 20 or 30 yard line before making them punt. Happened a lot last year and it happened last Saturday, too.

Yeah, you're right.

Why we don't go to anything even remotely close to a goal-line stand on those 3rd & shorts is over my head. But there's no arguing the end results. I guess Bo just doesn't like the chance of giving up the PA big play?

just look at bsu vs. va. tech. bsu destroyed va. tech whenever they went into a jumbo set. they scored too many times with a simple play action. and the worst was that long run va. tech gave up on third and short. they came our in a goal line defense and as soon and bsu's rb got past the lb's, he was endzone bound. you just need one little seam, and then there is no one to stop you. give up the first down, give up 3 when the offense needs 1-2, and live to play another down.

Very, very good point sd'sker (does that stand for South Dakota?).

Many seem to think that loading the box is 100% death of the run game. Wrong. As TO said in his book "more than winning" that a lot of NU's long TD runs was vs those schemes as if you break through the LOS....you're GONE.

I bet we see a lot of that this year too.

thank you, and yes, it does stand for south dakota. i could not believe when va. tech gave up that huge td run while in a jumbo set.

goal line just does not work for defenses in college football. use a clever blitz or something. or just mitigate the damage and play the probabilities, give up a few yards rather than risk giving up a 50 yard td.

I'm a SD guy too. Love it!

Yes, once again I see your point. It wasn't that long ago that defenses across the nation loaded up for 3rd & shorts but times have definately changed. Once again, there's no denying the end results. Bo knows defense.

i am sorry, i was not trying to beat a dead horse and i understand your point. i am trying to work it out in my head as i type it out.

we rely heavily on our front four to stop the run, and that is how not having SUH will hurt us the most. he could plug the holes on his own. this does scare me against ksu. are they just going to run it up the gut all night? and now that teams know we have a lock-down defense, other than washington, will all the teams just go run-first and not even try passing?

That's a good question. I know I sure as heck would.

Throwing the ball vs NU is suicide. I think we're gonna be challenged next year in the Big10. It'll be fun seeing what Bo/Carl come up with when we play the Cheeseheads, Iowa, etc. This year KSU & Okie Lite will be interesting.

 

[HuskerJosh]

I thought this said "Old Hobbits Die Hard".

 

[billdozer15]

But "Idaho" routinely picked up their 3rd & one or two yards on us without breaking a sweat.

This is the same thing that happened last year. As outstanding a duo of DTs as we had with Suh and Crick, it seemed like we gave up a LOT of short-yardage first downs. Way more than I expected. We also let people move the ball off the goal line a lot last year - Henery would punt it down there, then we'd let them move it out to their 20 or 30 yard line before making them punt. Happened a lot last year and it happened last Saturday, too.

Yeah, you're right.

Why we don't go to anything even remotely close to a goal-line stand on those 3rd & shorts is over my head. But there's no arguing the end results. I guess Bo just doesn't like the chance of giving up the PA big play?

just look at bsu vs. va. tech. bsu destroyed va. tech whenever they went into a jumbo set. they scored too many times with a simple play action. and the worst was that long run va. tech gave up on third and short. they came our in a goal line defense and as soon and bsu's rb got past the lb's, he was endzone bound. you just need one little seam, and then there is no one to stop you. give up the first down, give up 3 when the offense needs 1-2, and live to play another down.

Very, very good point sd'sker (does that stand for South Dakota?).

Many seem to think that loading the box is 100% death of the run game. Wrong. As TO said in his book "more than winning" that a lot of NU's long TD runs was vs those schemes as if you break through the LOS....you're GONE.

I bet we see a lot of that this year too.

thank you, and yes, it does stand for south dakota. i could not believe when va. tech gave up that huge td run while in a jumbo set.

goal line just does not work for defenses in college football. use a clever blitz or something. or just mitigate the damage and play the probabilities, give up a few yards rather than risk giving up a 50 yard td.

I'm a SD guy too. Love it!

Yes, once again I see your point. It wasn't that long ago that defenses across the nation loaded up for 3rd & shorts but times have definately changed. Once again, there's no denying the end results. Bo knows defense.

i am sorry, i was not trying to beat a dead horse and i understand your point. i am trying to work it out in my head as i type it out.

we rely heavily on our front four to stop the run, and that is how not having SUH will hurt us the most. he could plug the holes on his own. this does scare me against ksu. are they just going to run it up the gut all night? and now that teams know we have a lock-down defense, other than washington, will all the teams just go run-first and not even try passing?

Let them. Most of the teams we play are geared around passing and running is their secondary ability. Anytime you can force a team into a situation that they are not comfortable with or does not conform with their gameplan is a good thing. That means we dictate what happens. Even if run D is not to our strength teams will be forced into 2/3rd in long situations and will be forced to pass at some point. I'm not too worried about it. Its not like we cant stop the run at all.

 

[In the Deed the Glory]

I dont get it, when was i ever talking about one play.

Last i checked the option read is "multiple options" mulitple formations, that we can run muliple plays and looks from...take one wrong step and T Magics gonna burn you. All im saying is we have shown glimpses of what our running game is about, sure we got stuffed on 4 and short and that looked bad. All you guys do is harp on a few bad plays....look at the postitves....helu looks better and faster the ever rex is bigger and faster and tmart can be a gamebreaker at any second. Im sorry but im really excited about our running games potential. Put 9 in the box go ahead and try and stop us.

The "old option" was line up and try and stop us as well. We are running right at you what are you going to do about it. I dont get how we won chanpionships even when teams would put 9 in the box, they knew what was coming and still couldnt stop it...yet this years option read wont work? Sorry im just not buying it. But hey i like to think postive.

We havent even run the wildcat except the one try with niles. Again why show it against Idaho. Why give Helu tough carries between the tackles with the game in hand. Its common sense. We are building up to it, and getting playing time for the excellent young talent we have.

I don't get something from you...you think we just lined up and ran straight ahead and that the option lacked what it's name implies?? It was MUCH more multiple than this zone read because it had a FULLBACK in the triple option, then the play action pass off of it. Not to mention we only ran about 10-12 options or variations of it a game. Nebraska had an amazingly high amount of formations and complex blocking schemes. The Redskins used TO's ideas to build a dynasty with the "Hogs" upfront. When you get a little older you will understand that "old timers" all of the sudden get a lot smarter. Don't be such an arrogant "young punk".

You, sir, are ignorant in the truest meaning of the word as to what that offense entailed. Sorry, but do a little research and watch some game film before you spout off like this.

It is laughable that you hammer on the option and it's just "line up and try to stop us" and that you don't know how we won. Read some of TO's books and listen to how complicated the playbook was. Read about the Counter Trey.

 

[HuskerFowler]

How was i hammering the option? I was merely making a connection between the option we ran in the 90s vs the option system we are going to today. I may not have read TOs books and i was not refering to the specifics of the Offense back then. What i was referring to was evryone and their dog knew what we were doing and they could rarely stop it...didnt stop crouch from winning the heisman. So when guys say that they will put 9 in the box against Tmart and stop us and then were screwed.. i fail to see the connection, when thats exactly what we have proven can be done. You dont remember all the so called experts saying we couldnt compete with the likes of TN and FL? Everyone said they will put 9 in the box and then NE wont be able to throw...we are too one deminsional, everybody said. That turned out pretty well for us.

I just dont get how negative some people are. My old timers comment was in reference to us putting up 70 in the TO era against cupcakes...thats just not going to happen anymore, Bo puts in his 2nd and 3rd strings rather quickly for playing time and experience.

And i may not be an old timer but im hardly a young punk...about somewhere right in between thanks. Just my opinion buddy no need to get your pantys in a bunch.