:yeahknapplc said:You can't say your first paragraph without taking the second into consideration. Rankings aren't based simply on quality of performance. There has to be a team ranked #7 in the country every week. If we arbitrarily say that being ranked #7 requires a team to have X number of losses and X offensive and X defensive stats, then you'd have a hole at #7 every year when nobody fits that criteria.Enhance89 said:Yes, we're overrated. I have no problem saying it. We have not played football deserving of a team ranked in the Top 10.
That said, if you look across the entire Top 25, how many teams truly deserve to be where they are ? OU, LSU and Alabama are some of the few teams who I think are right where they should be.
Let's say a national champion should be a team with no more than one loss and with a SOS in the top 50. That seems more than reasonable, but it also means that there would be no #1 team in 2007. In fact, a strong case could be made that there should have been NO top-ten teams at the end of 2007 if we're just basing it off how teams look on the field and W/L records.
It just doesn't work that way. You have to take the teams available, with all their flaws, and rank them in order of best to worst. Someone is going to be ranked in the top ten without having "worthy" stats every week, every year.
Good job putting it in the proper perspective knappic. So, the more appropriate questions are; who that is ranked behind us is more deserving of being ranked ahead of us and is there anybody in the top 8 that we should be ahead of? It really is the better way to look at it.knapplc said:You can't say your first paragraph without taking the second into consideration. Rankings aren't based simply on quality of performance. There has to be a team ranked #7 in the country every week. If we arbitrarily say that being ranked #7 requires a team to have X number of losses and X offensive and X defensive stats, then you'd have a hole at #7 every year when nobody fits that criteria.Enhance89 said:Yes, we're overrated. I have no problem saying it. We have not played football deserving of a team ranked in the Top 10.
That said, if you look across the entire Top 25, how many teams truly deserve to be where they are ? OU, LSU and Alabama are some of the few teams who I think are right where they should be.
Let's say a national champion should be a team with no more than one loss and with a SOS in the top 50. That seems more than reasonable, but it also means that there would be no #1 team in 2007. In fact, a strong case could be made that there should have been NO top-ten teams at the end of 2007 if we're just basing it off how teams look on the field and W/L records.
It just doesn't work that way. You have to take the teams available, with all their flaws, and rank them in order of best to worst. Someone is going to be ranked in the top ten without having "worthy" stats every week, every year.
I'll give you SC, FSU, & Oregon (not that I necessarily agree) but what about Boise State, Stanford, Okla State, and Tex A&M? Maybe we should be #8.....Out of the teams ranked below us..I would favor us in all except South Carolina, FSU, and Oregon. So #12-13 would seem right?
Oh, and I liked how the BTN guys were stating that Illinois is the 2nd best team in the Conference....errr
1 Oklahoma (50) 2-0 1463
2 Alabama (4) 3-0 1402
3 LSU (5) 3-0 1373
4 Boise State 2-0 1212
5 Stanford 3-0 1208
6 Oklahoma State 3-0 1126
7 Wisconsin 3-0 1121
8 Texas A&M 2-0 1033
9 Nebraska 3-0 966
10 South Carolina 3-0 876
11 Virginia Tech 3-0 852
12 Arkansas 3-0 851
13 Oregon 2-1 804
14 Florida State 2-1 801
15 Florida 3-0 670
16 West Virginia 3-0 529
17 South Florida 3-0 485
18 Texas 3-0 464
19 Baylor 2-0 391
20 TCU 2-1 310
21 Michigan 3-0 243
22 Clemson 3-0 181
23 Michigan State 2-1 119
24 Georgia Tech 3-0 118
25 North Carolina 3-0 99
yepOf course we are over ranked but I say who cares til you get beat.
Yeah..I thought I overheard that too, and I meant to listen..Out of the teams ranked below us..I would favor us in all except South Carolina, FSU, and Oregon. So #12-13 would seem right?
Oh, and I liked how the BTN guys were stating that Illinois is the 2nd best team in the Conference....errr
That's not really what I mean. I mean based on my preconceived notions of what a top 10 team looks like, we don't fit the bill.knapplc said:You can't say your first paragraph without taking the second into consideration. Rankings aren't based simply on quality of performance. There has to be a team ranked #7 in the country every week. If we arbitrarily say that being ranked #7 requires a team to have X number of losses and X offensive and X defensive stats, then you'd have a hole at #7 every year when nobody fits that criteria.Enhance89 said:Yes, we're overrated. I have no problem saying it. We have not played football deserving of a team ranked in the Top 10.
That said, if you look across the entire Top 25, how many teams truly deserve to be where they are ? OU, LSU and Alabama are some of the few teams who I think are right where they should be.
Let's say a national champion should be a team with no more than one loss and with a SOS in the top 50. That seems more than reasonable, but it also means that there would be no #1 team in 2007. In fact, a strong case could be made that there should have been NO top-ten teams at the end of 2007 if we're just basing it off how teams look on the field and W/L records.
It just doesn't work that way. You have to take the teams available, with all their flaws, and rank them in order of best to worst. Someone is going to be ranked in the top ten without having "worthy" stats every week, every year.
So let's argue about how you're preconceived notions of what a top 10 team looks like are wrong. chuckleshuffleThat's not really what I mean. I mean based on my preconceived notions of what a top 10 team looks like, we don't fit the bill.knapplc said:You can't say your first paragraph without taking the second into consideration. Rankings aren't based simply on quality of performance. There has to be a team ranked #7 in the country every week. If we arbitrarily say that being ranked #7 requires a team to have X number of losses and X offensive and X defensive stats, then you'd have a hole at #7 every year when nobody fits that criteria.Enhance89 said:Yes, we're overrated. I have no problem saying it. We have not played football deserving of a team ranked in the Top 10.
That said, if you look across the entire Top 25, how many teams truly deserve to be where they are ? OU, LSU and Alabama are some of the few teams who I think are right where they should be.
Let's say a national champion should be a team with no more than one loss and with a SOS in the top 50. That seems more than reasonable, but it also means that there would be no #1 team in 2007. In fact, a strong case could be made that there should have been NO top-ten teams at the end of 2007 if we're just basing it off how teams look on the field and W/L records.
It just doesn't work that way. You have to take the teams available, with all their flaws, and rank them in order of best to worst. Someone is going to be ranked in the top ten without having "worthy" stats every week, every year.
I'll give you SC, FSU, & Oregon (not that I necessarily agree) but what about Boise State, Stanford, Okla State, and Tex A&M? Maybe we should be #8.....Out of the teams ranked below us..I would favor us in all except South Carolina, FSU, and Oregon. So #12-13 would seem right?
Oh, and I liked how the BTN guys were stating that Illinois is the 2nd best team in the Conference....errr
1 Oklahoma (50) 2-0 1463
2 Alabama (4) 3-0 1402
3 LSU (5) 3-0 1373
4 Boise State 2-0 1212
5 Stanford 3-0 1208
6 Oklahoma State 3-0 1126
7 Wisconsin 3-0 1121
8 Texas A&M 2-0 1033
9 Nebraska 3-0 966
10 South Carolina 3-0 876
11 Virginia Tech 3-0 852
12 Arkansas 3-0 851
13 Oregon 2-1 804
14 Florida State 2-1 801
15 Florida 3-0 670
16 West Virginia 3-0 529
17 South Florida 3-0 485
18 Texas 3-0 464
19 Baylor 2-0 391
20 TCU 2-1 310
21 Michigan 3-0 243
22 Clemson 3-0 181
23 Michigan State 2-1 119
24 Georgia Tech 3-0 118
25 North Carolina 3-0 99
Then I don't understand, because that is what I responded to. . . . ?That's not really what I mean. I mean based on my preconceived notions of what a top 10 team looks like, we don't fit the bill.knapplc said:You can't say your first paragraph without taking the second into consideration. Rankings aren't based simply on quality of performance. There has to be a team ranked #7 in the country every week. If we arbitrarily say that being ranked #7 requires a team to have X number of losses and X offensive and X defensive stats, then you'd have a hole at #7 every year when nobody fits that criteria.Enhance89 said:Yes, we're overrated. I have no problem saying it. We have not played football deserving of a team ranked in the Top 10.
That said, if you look across the entire Top 25, how many teams truly deserve to be where they are ? OU, LSU and Alabama are some of the few teams who I think are right where they should be.
Let's say a national champion should be a team with no more than one loss and with a SOS in the top 50. That seems more than reasonable, but it also means that there would be no #1 team in 2007. In fact, a strong case could be made that there should have been NO top-ten teams at the end of 2007 if we're just basing it off how teams look on the field and W/L records.
It just doesn't work that way. You have to take the teams available, with all their flaws, and rank them in order of best to worst. Someone is going to be ranked in the top ten without having "worthy" stats every week, every year.